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Touche' Lynn, I believe you hit the proverbial nail right on the head. I think what is thought but not said is " how cool, wish I could be the one doing that ". Kudos to Shim Lim, Great Job!!

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On Aug 5, 2017, magicnorm wrote:
Touche' Lynn, I believe you hit the proverbial nail right on the head. I think what is thought but not said is " how cool, wish I could be the one doing that ". Kudos to Shim Lim, Great Job!!

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That said, I also wanted to show appreciation for the OP, who asked an honest question about editing. The OP shows some editing was done (perhaps time considerations?); however, I don't believe Shin Lim is a camera-effect magic act. I still think the fellows were fooled. There were so many parts to the act (manipulations, color changes, wild card, etc) all blended into a great act. Lynn
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I work with Shin on a daily basis. He is a talented and generous performer. As for what real audiences in a live setting think, well, I see and hear them respond to his act several times a day with gasps of astonishment and enthusiastic applause.
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On Aug 5, 2017, lynnef wrote:However, I don't know if it's hate, or just old fashioned jealousy coming from the Café! Lynn


It's so lazy to say someone is jealous if they don't agree with your view on a performance.

I found it very boring. Too much black art, really obvious disposal of the black cards and then the trick deck when spread looking like what it was. i.e. you were seeing about 1/3 of the cards in the spread. I also hated the music and pretentious poses. Loved Penn's mockery of that.

Am I jealous of him? No. Do I hate? No.

I just didn't like it.
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Check out magic names and media forum!!! Fellow Café magician David Parr is due to appear on Fool Us (inviting all in Chicago area to an Aug 11 viewing). Perhaps we'll all be able to follow up on the 'editing' question then. Lynn
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My experience: There were eight acts recorded on the same day as I was, and there was no time for retakes. I got one shot at it. P&T had never seen my act; Aly Hannigan had never seen my act. P&T don't even know who is booked on the show until that person's name is announced in front of the cameras. Having now viewed the episode, I can see where the editors trimmed out tiny bits of my performance to make it run faster — a few words here and there, a tiny moment of inactivity. But they in no way altered the effect or hid anything related to the method. As far as that goes, the TV viewer is seeing exactly what the live audience saw on the day.
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I have read other places, black art effects are usually shot twice because the lighting needed for the cameras is quite bright and reveals the workings. So they do it once with regular lighting for the audience (so they can get actual reactions) then again either with camera lighting either without an audience or it is just spoiled for them. Perhaps this could have something to do with the two tapings?

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My experience: There were eight acts recorded on the same day as I was, and there was no time for retakes. I got one shot at it. P&T had never seen my act; Aly Hannigan had never seen my act. P&T don't even know who is booked on the show until that person's name is announced in front of the cameras. Having now viewed the episode, I can see where the editors trimmed out tiny bits of my performance to make it run faster — a few words here and there, a tiny moment of inactivity. But they in no way altered the effect or hid anything related to the method. As far as that goes, the TV viewer is seeing exactly what the live audience saw on the day.


Thanks for the insider perspective. That actually answered some questions I didn't even realize I was thinking about, regarding the workings of the show.
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My experience: There were eight acts recorded on the same day as I was, and there was no time for retakes. I got one shot at it. P&T had never seen my act; Aly Hannigan had never seen my act. P&T don't even know who is booked on the show until that person's name is announced in front of the cameras. Having now viewed the episode, I can see where the editors trimmed out tiny bits of my performance to make it run faster — a few words here and there, a tiny moment of inactivity. But they in no way altered the effect or hid anything related to the method. As far as that goes, the TV viewer is seeing exactly what the live audience saw on the day.


Loved your 'bell' act. Great fun!
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Glad I could give some insight, witchdoc. And thanks, pointyskull!
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I just watched a video clip your performance David, very well done! Using a bell was a lovely touch that really helped make your routine entertaining to watch. And congratulations on being awarded as a "Fooler"! Here's the clip in case anyone else wants to check it out:



Two other things I'm curious about the show, besides the editing, if you feel like sharing:

1. Do you get much say in how your intro is presented? Or do the producers basically script something they feel says something about you, and tell you what kind of intro package they want to do?

2. Is the post-performance chat with Alyson Hannigan really as brief as it appears, or do Penn and Teller actually get more time to figure things out? I'm always amazed at the clever one-liners in the banter between the show host and performers following the trick, and I've wondered how much of that conversation is off-the-cuff, or scripted/prepared. Do you have any idea in advance what Alyson might ask you, or is that all genuinely thinking on your feet for everyone concerned?

Once again, congratulations on a solid performance, and a successful result, especially in the positive approach you had in your recovery following your accident.
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1. Do you get much say in how your intro is presented? Or do the producers basically script something they feel says something about you, and tell you what kind of intro package they want to do?

2. Is the post-performance chat with Alyson Hannigan really as brief as it appears, or do Penn and Teller actually get more time to figure things out? I'm always amazed at the clever one-liners in the banter between the show host and performers following the trick, and I've wondered how much of that conversation is off-the-cuff, or scripted/prepared. Do you have any idea in advance what Alyson might ask you, or is that all genuinely thinking on your feet for everyone concerned?


Thanks, Enders! Glad you dug the performance. As for your questions:

1. If you're referring to the bio segment, that's pulled from an on-camera interview that is recorded the day before the live shoot. So none of that is scripted. It's just me answering questions, from which they choose the pul-quotes. Rick Manfredi was the director for the bio. After our initial interview, he said "I noticed how many times you mentioned books and reading. We're gonna shoot some footage in a bookstore." He did a great job with it.

2. The post-performance interview is always edited down, and mine is VERY edited down. Before the shoot, I asked the producers how long P&T confer to come up with a hypothesis, and they said "About three to five minutes." In my case, they conferred for double that. Alyson ran out of questions to ask me, so I started interviewing her. When P&T still hadn't finished their intense discussion and scribbling on notepads, Alyson and I started doing commentary on what they were doing. Finally, she said "I think they've talked enough. I'm gonna interrupt them." So she waved her hand and said "Boys! I think you've talked enough!" At that point, they had to put their cards on the table. I expected them to at least have a working theory, a guess. When they came up bust, I was shocked — as evidenced by the look on my face. Surprise!

And speaking of surprise, none of the onstage interaction is scripted. The producers keep everything secret from P&T so when the performer's name is announced on camera, it's a genuine surprise. I didn't rehearse with Aly Hannigan. She had no idea what she was in for. I did ask the producers to check on one thing before the segment was recorded: find out if Alyson Hannigan is color blind. She is not.
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... Shin Lim at Fool Us, ...
Heard rave reviews from a coworker today. So for the intended audience and repeat views - the TV show as presented seems to have worked.
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