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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts |
Some people are dazzled by celebrity.
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gtx magic Special user United Kingdom England 954 Posts |
At the end of the day rules are set out to be applied regardless of our opinions. As Mark said whether Magic society / Golf club etc.
The soul purpose of a magic society especially... is to keep it's secrets within the circle that's why I should imagine that a symbol of a circle is interpreted as keeping it within. http://themagiccircle.co.uk/form-of-declaration Graham
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
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JackMagic Inner circle 1982 Posts |
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On Aug 14, 2017, mindmagic wrote: I don't think they need any publicity that the magic circle can bring the Fool Us show is not even broadcast in the UK it's for US Audiance only P&T have survived over 40 years without the magic circle Same as Derran Brown he has also done fine without them ! |
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Doc Willie Regular user 160 Posts |
It's pretty clear the P&T were just having fun with MC. And it makes for good entertainment. Nothing here worth getting one's drawers in a twist.
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Colin (C.J.) Special user 564 Posts |
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On Aug 14, 2017, JackMagic wrote: Me too |
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kah22 New user 16 Posts |
Perhaps Penn and Teller adopt the same attitude as Groucho Marx: ‘ don't want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member.’
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Freddie Henderson New user 46 Posts |
I’m sure Derren Brown used to be a member as seen him come 3rd in a close up comp many years ago . Also saw him at the centenary celebrations there .
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JackMagic Inner circle 1982 Posts |
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On Sep 6, 2018, Freddie Henderson wrote: I don’t think Derran Brown has ever been a member And if he was it was a long time before he got his TV fame Certainly has done very well without them |
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Freddie Henderson New user 46 Posts |
Yes it was donkeys years before his TV fame he was in the comps there
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Freddie Henderson New user 46 Posts |
Https://themagiccircle.co.uk/news/837-th......rds-2012
Maybe he can win these without ever being a member ? I have certainly seen him there on a number of occasions and the competitions he was in were possibly the international magic close up comps not the magic circle as just found an old magazine with the results we are talking late 1980s very early 90s here . |
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Freddie Henderson New user 46 Posts |
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Freddie Henderson New user 46 Posts |
They won’t let the link show on here but here one the Maskelyne award 2012 at the circle
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warren Inner circle uk 4138 Posts |
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On Aug 14, 2017, gtx magic wrote: That's a bit of a joke really as there are members of the magic circle that expose magic so it would seem that it's one rule for one and one for another. |
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Paul S Wingham Inner circle 1378 Posts |
Rules are rules and if you’re the magic circle; you can’t really bend on the exposure rule. That said; the irony of debating penn and teller exposing stuff in latest and greatest (one huge source of exposure thanks to loose lips) isn’t lost on me.
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Freddie Henderson New user 46 Posts |
Rules must be applied and Penn and Teller blatantly expose methods with no shame . Exposing accidentally on what is after all a magic forum is a completely incomparable equation .
Dealers selling tricks is acceptable as parting with your cash is considered at least an interest in the art . I don’t know any Circle member who would deliberately expose a method to a layman unless it was someone who showed a massive interest in learning the art and could prove it . What would the magic circle member gain from that ? Answer = zero gain . |
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Paul S Wingham Inner circle 1378 Posts |
I’m not really saying its compariable but the tone from some people suggests they are annoyed by exposure from p and t and I just found that amusing as so so much is given away here. It doesn’t bother me to be honest. I actually think a lot of punters know a lot more than we give them credit for, but magic has always been a vehicle for comedy for me; the secret is less important than the entertainment.
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Paul S Wingham Inner circle 1378 Posts |
That said; what penn and teller gain from not being all “we know something you don't” and letting people “inside” in a calculated way, is a bit of humility. A lot of magicians come over as very smarmy but what penn and teller do very well is give away things that most people with a bit of common sense already know (so actually giving away very little) and make themselves more human and likable by doing so. Their cups and balls with plastic see thru cups is a great example. Almost everyone knows the magician is doing a bunch of stuff and they reveal that whilst at the same time doing it in a way that in no way diminishes the entertainment value or actually leaves anyone in a position where they could easily recreate it. What have they given away? The fact that the magician puts the balls under the cup...which anyone with half a brain already knew.
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
Paul I don’t like that argument
Specs all know the girls not sawn in half Specs all know Blane doesn’t really catch a bullet Etc etc They all know it’s not real and sort of how it’s done... so by your definition (of that being ok) we should be ok to just expose everything |
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Freddie Henderson New user 46 Posts |
I agree Paul up to a point but I think you have to have certain rules in life otherwise it leads to a slippery slope . You are right it’s about the entertainment value at the end of the day but the mystery of magic sets it apart from all other forms of entertaining .
I mean if there was no mystery or how the hell did you do that , or that’s impossible reactions in magic then the audience may as well go and watch a good comedian or singer who specialises in that genre . Entertainment is the number one most important aspect but strong material done well is also entertaining without one liners every minute . After all they have come to see a magician after all . If you are a marvellous entertainer with average material you will still look good . However if for any reason your humour that night just doesn’t suit your audience you will die on your ass . Having brilliant material and they like you at least ensures you will still go well all the time . If you have both then it’s a win win but strong material and just the likability factor will mean you will at least never die on your ass . So exposure of strong magic or any magic for that matter deliberately should never be encouraged to the layman in my personal view unless a massive obvious interest in the art is shown . |
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Paul S Wingham Inner circle 1378 Posts |
Totally agree freddie; I just don't think what penn and teller reveal detracts in anyway from them as performers or magicians amd they still perform things that audiences have no idea about. I equally think the MC not letting them join is totally fair.
The duster, I get your point too, but I don't think what they give away are huge secrets. They typically say things about things that’s existence is already public domain...or close to. Like the existence of marked deck or card forces (i mean some magicians openly force the same card over and over to a point, the spec must knoe the selection process is not a fair one. Rules are rules but I feel the positives they bring to magic are far greater than the negatives. For clarity though; I don't reveal stuff myself |
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