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RyanWhiteside Regular user 121 Posts |
Hi all,
having recently picked up expert card technique by Jean Hugard and Frederick Braue, I quickly noticed this is a rather advanced book, that being said I would like to ask your opinions on the most useful sleights and best tricks in this book? -R |
thesmilingmule New user 12 Posts |
Typically these threads come up when someone doesn't want to read the whole book, they want someone else to do all the work for them and tell them the best stuff. Then they can focus on just a few small sections and then move onto the next book/dvd and ask the same question. Collecting the best sleights and tricks is not the way to reach the destination of being an expert magician; when it comes to magic, the journey is the destination. Take your time, read it all, enjoy it.
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RyanWhiteside Regular user 121 Posts |
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On Aug 18, 2017, thesmilingmule wrote: Thankyou for your reply! i will definitely take the time to read the whole book when I get a chance, was just genuinely interested to find out peoples preferences, my personal favourite (of what I have seen so far is the Dunbury delusion by Charlie Miller. - R |
magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
Hence the title, Expert Card Technique.
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RyanWhiteside Regular user 121 Posts |
Fair point, noted.
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luvisi Special user 601 Posts |
If you haven't already done so, I recommend reading Erdnase and Royal Road first. When I was a kid, I had the misfortune of buying Expert Card Technique first, and there were several things that I found confusing since I didn't have the necessary background.
The entire "False Deals" chapter is necessary reading if you're into false deals. You can see Charlie Miller demonstrate the strike deal from Expert Card Technique at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkeJggTnN1Y#t=02m38s Almost every magician who I have ever seen use an Erdnase bottom deal used the modified grip described in "Double deal, second method." The push off second deal technique was part of the inspiration for Ron Bauer's Two-card Turnover Technique, a double lift with no get ready and a clever and relaxed approach to keeping the cards aligned. The "Delayed side slip" is a great way to steal a card out of the deck. The general principle of separating the dirty work from the main event is broadly applicable in magic. For controlling a card to the top, I recommend Marlo's deliberate side steal from The Side Steal. The "Braue pass" has a very interesting approach to reducing the left finger flash. This is one of the many ideas that Steven Youell incorporated into his Mongrel Pass from Hacking The Pass. The description of the strip-out false shuffle is excellent. You can find other decent (but not as good) descriptions in More Inner Secrets of Card Magic and Revelations. The "Gambler's false cut," aka Up The Ladder is an excellent technique. Try out breaking the original bottom into only two packets. This shortens the sequence and some magicians find it feels more natural. The techniques for the pressure fan and for springing the cards are good. For the pressure fan, many magicians use their right first and second fingers, instead of their right second and third fingers. Passe-passe aces isn't a great trick as described, but it has some wonderful ideas in it. It formed the initial basis for Steven Youell's "Chase The Aces," which I've done in almost every performance for over 25 years. Rub-a-dub-dub is a classic, as is The Dunbury delusion. The matchbook easel idea is a simple but clever way of displaying cards. Michael Skinner had a clever use of this in his Classic Sampler. In addition to all these, you should check out everything else in the book! Expert Card Technique goes in basically everyone's short list of must-read card books. Enjoy! Andru
Andru Luvisi
http://www.practicenotincluded.com/ |
RyanWhiteside Regular user 121 Posts |
Thankyou Andru,
I have read the entire Royal Road many years ago, and Erdnase cover to cover many times, I will take a look at everything you mentioned, seems like you know the book very well so I will take your advice! Thanks again, -R |
magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
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On Aug 18, 2017, RyanWhiteside wrote: It is David Williamson's bible. |
magikcid Regular user 148 Posts |
I second what luvisi mentioned and go thought Royal Road and Erdnase. There is more of a systematic approach which gives a good frame work before tackling a book like Expert which brought together various contributions. At least from that point of view you would better be able to utilize the tools you get from Expert Card Technique and see how it relates to anything you are missing.
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James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
I find it strange that after royal road and Erdanse, you find ECT to be advanced. I personally consider it to being on the low range of intermediate. I often feel that many of the tricks in ECT are heavily dated. But there are still plenty of workers in there. As for recommendations, I don't have it on me ATM, so it's hard to say. I do remember that I like the dunbury delusion as you mentioned. What I would do is read through the effects and find ones that you think sound like something you would like to perform. Then read the explanation and decide if you think it's workable (I do not mean with regards to difficulty). If it still seems appealing, work on it. Any slights you need for it that you don't know, practice. That's how you get better. I don't think I've ever just worked on a move for the sake of it. It's always because I need it for a routine I want to perform. As time goes on, you find that you don't learn new moves very often because you have already learned them before for some previous routine.
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Gamblor New user 24 Posts |
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On Aug 25, 2017, James F wrote: RR and EATCT are more "systematic" and easier to progress through. ECT contains a lot of gold, but there's nothing linear about it's layout. |
James F Inner circle Atlanta 1096 Posts |
I meant the difficulty of the routines. But that's true, it does seem rather jumbled. It is a good book to move from beginner routines to intermediate routines. It may be challenging at first, but that is what gives you the bump up to more intermediate card handling. If you keep working on routines that don't challenge you, you'll be stuck using the same beginner principles forever.
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luvisi Special user 601 Posts |
I was referring more to assumed knowledge than to difficulty level.
Expert Card Technique assumes that you know certain things. If you don't know them, then you're liable to be confused. While there are some things in Erdnase that are more difficult than many things in Expert Card Technique, Erdnase begins by assuming that you know nothing about cards, and explains everything as he goes. Andru
Andru Luvisi
http://www.practicenotincluded.com/ |
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