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Martin Reinertz
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Ok, my question might seem a bit simplistic... but it's really important to me. I'm not really a mentalist (just familiar with some basic principles like 1089, one-ahead, etc.) - however, I would like to incoporate ONE mentalism effect in my show.

Basically I'm looking for a killer effect that's relatively easy to perform (and by easy I mean that I AM willing to invest a lot of practice... but less than 2 years ;-)). Anything from revealing a selected non-forced card to a book test would work. I just don't want to go ahead and buy stuff I have no clue about...

Any suggestions?
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Cups and balls?
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No offence meant here Martin, but why just put in one mental-based effect if it's surrounded by 'regular' tricks and routines?

You could pull off the world's greatest mentalism feat and your audience will just think it's sleight-of-hand or a trick deck of cards or something.

it's not easy to mix mentalism and magic successfully.
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C'mon Withnail,magic and mentalism can be mixed successfully.Let me ask you this question,did you start out as a pure mentalist,or are your roots in magic ? Never forget where you came from....
In answer to an honest question ,I would reccomend a magic squre routine or purchase of the Larry Becker or Dan Harlan tapes,either will yeild a routine that can be utilised.
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I think that mentalism can be used in a magic show like nutmeg in your eggnog... Just a sprinkle.
Perhaps if you were to play it as "I had a strange dream last night" or "I have noticed strange coincinences recently," you wouldn't be doing a dis-service to those who make their living off pure mentalism.
In otherwords, don't claim to be using "psychic powers" ala mentalism.
Becker does have two nice routines that play well in this vein..."Sechewan Sampler" and "Casino Royale"
The mental aspect of these can be downplayed and fit nicely into a magic program.

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You can use mentalism in a magic show, you just have to select the right effect's, present them correctly, and make it believable - don't do anything you can't explain.

I would suggest you check out the master's time machine or another watch effect if that's a bit pricey.

or you could do something along the lines of PK touches, you can get the booklet from banachek for around 10$ I think in American.

Or I would highly recommend the Devil's picture book by Derren Brown, so you can learn the Invisble Deal, it really is real mind reading and it's not hard at all. After a little bit of practice you can get it working pretty much everytime, and the one time it fail's you can have an invisible deck as a back up. Plus there is loads of other great stuff on the video. This is possibly my strongest effect.

Or you could just buy a nail writer or Impression pad.
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Casino Royale seems like a nice option, but is hard to say without knowing your routine.
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Pick up Becker's Stunners Plus book. I'm sure you'll find at least one routine or idea there that will work for you.
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On 2004-04-13 06:42, markthorold wrote:
C'mon Withnail,magic and mentalism can be mixed successfully.


I agree SOME magic and mentalism can be mixed well, like OOTW, but my point was, to me, mentalism is all about the power of the mind, either controlling, reading, NLP stuff, whatever.

If there's just one mental routine in a set which contains a heap of magic stuff, then I think the affect on the specs will be diminished.

I just think - do a mental show or a magic show. A 90-10 split between the two styles doesn't mix, in MHO Smile
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Hi Martin,

There are many, many "magic" tricks that can be made into "mentalism" tricks by changing the patter or otherwise reframing the presentation. Maybe take a look at the effects that you already do, and see if you can reframe them.

For instance, do you perform the Invisible Deck? Reframe your presentation a little, and it can become (what I believe to be) one of the strongest mentalism effects ever devised.

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You can combine controlling/reading mind's with (card) magic, I do it. It may not suit every performer or every type of Magic/Mentallism effect's, but it can be done effectively. Yes mentalism is all about the mind, why can't that be mixed with other stuff?
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On 2004-04-13 08:44, corpmagi wrote:
Pick up Becker's Stunners Plus book. I'm sure you'll find at least one routine or idea there that will work for you.


Yes, there's plenty of good mental magic to choose from.

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Also look at Becker's World of Super Mentalism for a somewhat less expensive alternative.

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On 2004-04-13 05:11, Dr_Zodiac wrote:
Cups and balls?


Sounds cool. Can you describe the trick? I heard the Zodiac guy does it real good. Where can I get one?

G.
Martin Reinertz
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Ok... after reading all these posts I will probably get one of the books some of you mentioned. However, I also stumbled across something called "Impossible Devination" and it just sounds like it would fit my style perfectly... does anyone have good or bad experiences with it? Do you think it would be too difficult to master for a mentalism newbie?
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On 2004-04-13 16:51, Martin Reinertz wrote:
...I also stumbled across something called "Impossible Devination" and it just sounds like it would fit my style perfectly... does anyone have good or bad experiences with it? Do you think it would be too difficult to master for a mentalism newbie?


Martin: I will be shocked if anyone with a background in mentalism/mental magic and familiar with Impossible Devination recommends this effect to you. Experienced performers disagree as to the value of its method and effect. My advice is that this is definitely not something to start with in a one-off way. I suggest that you get a good piece of mental magic. The books referenced above will give you many ideas. Also, search the forums for the reviews of mental effects that sound interesting to you.

Gianni
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The Richard Osterlind Mind Mysteries DVD Vol 123 are great. They contain a nice mix of magic and mentalism.

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Martin Reinertz
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Thanks Gianni,
that's exactly why I posted the question... since I'm really inexperienced when it comes to mentalism.
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I feel that you can very easily adapt an invisible deck into a very strong mentalism routine, No doubt you probably allready do an invisible deck routine...
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