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Kimura
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I'm sure everyone knows of the current events in LV and a little off-topic for this forum perhaps.

However I wanted to send best wishes to our friends in Vegas, I hope you and your families and friends are safe and well during these times.

Peace.
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I just read about it. It's horrible.
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It seems that the shooter has been classified as a professional gambler.
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"Professional Gamblers" don't play video poker for $100.00 a hand.
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On Oct 2, 2017, cbharrelson wrote:
It seems that the shooter has been classified as a professional gambler.


How about an insane individual? Does that fill the bill better?

Monstrous occurrence which unfortunately is becoming more and more commonplace, mass murder not just in the US but in other countries as well.

Scared me a lot when I heard the reports because my daughter went to a concert on the LV Strip Saturday night, not Sunday. Had to verify that...fortunately all was okay. What a relief.

But the poor souls that got killed. Tragic.
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He doesn't seem to have any history of mental illness and supposedly quite well planned. They are still scratching their heads on how he got all those weapons in the room as well as ammo. Still a lot to learn. Father was a bank robber. Apparently he played one of the casino poker games like ultimate Texas Holdem for $100.00 per hand. Did he lose a bunch of money? Hopefully it will all come out.
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Absolutely tragic. Dozens killed and thousands of lives affected directly or indirectly.

Cag, I'm glad your family is safe and sound.

J
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Thanks Jason. Much appreciated.
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It must have been heart stopping worrying about your kid Cag, very glad she's safe.

It's a difficult day in the United States, a heartbreaking day.
At the core of what happened is the fact that crazy people can do serious harm to innocent people and do it pretty much at will, which is why we're encouraged to always look out for each other.
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I am thankful for both you guys who live in Vegas and others perhaps mentioned or posts on this forum that live in Vegas.
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Gosh now they say this guy had 23 guns in his room not 10 as originally reported.
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The more we hear of this shooter the more we scratch our heads. Our hearts are heavy with the grief of our American friends and all we can offer them is our condolences.
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I'm a couple thousand km away and it still hit me hard - I can't imagine how hard it must be for some of you guys. Hope you all can get through this and that nobody close to you got harmed.
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Hello,

I know some people in this forum have done a lot of work in/for casinos. Interested to hear your informed opinions regarding what is likely to exist in terms of "eye in the sky"/on premise video of the perpetrator. Seems like not much. Thanks
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Hello,

I know some people in this forum have done a lot of work in/for casinos. Interested to hear your informed opinions regarding what is likely to exist in terms of "eye in the sky"/on premise video of the perpetrator. Seems like not much. Thanks


Chris Wallach had a very informative interview with Steve Wynn regarding this tragic occurrence.

Wynn has been stating for the last six years that Vegas was very vulnerable to attacks of this type. He explained all the precautions he has implemented at his hotels to minimize the possibility of these occurrences...inspection of guest luggage, cameras in the hallways, training of all hotel staff, including maids and housekeeping, checking on a hotel guest and his room if a "Do Not Disturb" sign is up for more than 12 hours, plus many other precautions. All this is done in a non-evasive manner. The precautions Wynn has implemented would have minimized or perhaps prevented this type attack in his hotel.

In my opinion, Mandalay Bay is no doubt going to be sued because it seems they may have been negligent and their procedures and security appears to have been sloppy. To not allow anyone in the perpetrators room for 3-4 days is ridiculous and to be able to cart up suitcase after suitcase to his room during that time period should have alerted someone to at least inquire or inspect.

Of course the first thing the left wing politicians do is talk about guns being the problem to take advantage of a tragic situation. However, all the gun control laws on the books did not and could not have prevented this tragic occurrence. And if not guns then there are homemade bombs and even large trucks and motor vehicles to plow people down with as unfortunately many countries outside the US have experienced.

I am sure many of our non-US members cannot understand the US being such a "gun culture." However, the US is a big country and in order to move west the settlers faced in a very harsh environment and everyone needed guns for self-protection and to hunt for survival. Additionally, the framers of the constitution had to put in the Second Amendment allowing the citizens to own and possess firearms, the purpose of which was not so they could go hunting. It was for self-protection and to protect against government, something they had a great distrust of and many still do.

Indeed, the first thing Hitler did when he came to power in Germany was to confiscate all the guns. Trying to do so in the US would no doubt incite a bloodbath of opposition especially with the untold millions of guns in private possession.

Would be interesting to see how this continues to unfold and the precautions the hotels start to take to protect their customers and themselves against lawsuits.

I put the primary responsibility on the hotel in this instance but we will see what happens.
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I doubt if anybody in the casino thought for a moment that this old accountant was capable of doing anything like he did. Once upon a time, I worked as a “Listener” for the law courts, where I had to listen to many convicted murderers of one sort or another who had just been given life sentences. The most extraordinary or chilling thing about most of these people was how ordinary or rather how nice, gentle, meek and mild they seemed. I mean, they were the last people I would have suspected of being capable of doing what they had done.
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... To not allow anyone in the perpetrators room for 3-4 days is ridiculous and to be able to cart up suitcase after suitcase to his room during that time period should have alerted someone to at least inquire or inspect.

To say the very least! This fact still astonishes me. I sometimes really wonder about the utility of the dozens of cameras they say they are using...
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What is the relevance of the cameras in the casino to this case?
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Maybe tracking someone carrying suitcases after suitcases?
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Yes. That and any companions.

C - thanks for the interesting response. Yes, my assumption was that cameras in hallways we're considered not optional by now given the decreased size, complexity, & cost of such equipment.
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