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Did all the chess players just get too busy? I know NYCTwister said he was too busy but then I saw posts from him on another thread after he said that so I guess he's not too busy for a debate, just for a chess game. So anybody else want to play? Chess is not my game at all. I like bridge. So if you're a strong chess player, you would probably crush me. I'm just a "Life Patzer." Anyone? I've been known to resign in three moves ("This position looks hopeless!") Or I'll try to play a "positional" game without having a clue what the position requires and in the meantime get strangled for space or else overlook some obvious tactical move by my opponent and end up hanging a major piece. After that, what's the point? It's just a slow painful death. No fun! I'm not even sure if I should be making this overture. And I haven't played for years, did I mention that?
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Bridge is better, anyway. Are you an ACBL member?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Yes. Longtime Bridge World subscriber too. Did you ever go to bridgewinners.com? Good site, free. I'm "cardician" on BBO.
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Bridge is better, anyway.

However, correspondence bridge is tough to play.
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When something is important to you then you make time, even if it's just to vent. Luckily, as I get older, I only repeat myself three or four times before shutting up for a while.
Apparently, judging by the number of threads and posts, it's important to others too.

There's no point in us playing, unless you accept the rook odds, and then it becomes semi-serious to me since I don't want to lose - rook or no rook.

I'll be happy to play anyone on those terms after the first of the year.
In the meanwhile there are other amateur level players here. Why not start a thread like I did? I'm pretty sure someone will pick up the gauntlet.

And, Bridge is better than Chess? Smile x 100,
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Chess has to be better. The world champion is named Magnus.
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Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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There's no point in us playing, unless you accept the rook odds, and then it becomes semi-serious to me since I don't want to lose - rook or no rook.

Which rook? And do challengers get a choice of color?
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It's whites rook on a1, and I'd play white.
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It's whites rook on a1, and I'd play white.

What color do I get?
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When something is important to you then you make time, even if it's just to vent. Luckily, as I get older, I only repeat myself three or four times before shutting up for a while.
Apparently, judging by the number of threads and posts, it's important to others too.

There's no point in us playing, unless you accept the rook odds, and then it becomes semi-serious to me since I don't want to lose - rook or no rook.

I'll be happy to play anyone on those terms after the first of the year.
In the meanwhile there are other amateur level players here. Why not start a thread like I did? I'm pretty sure someone will pick up the gauntlet.

And, Bridge is better than Chess? Smile x 100,



I don't know how good you are at bridge, so maybe you'll be the exception, but let me preface this with a little background. I used to work full-time, as a teenager, in the largest full-time chess facility in the country. When I wasn't working, I was playing chess or studying chess, and I was one of the most active tournament players in the country. Later, I owned a bridge club, directed tournaments for the American Contract Bridge League, taught classes, competed at fairly high levels, etc. I'm a life master about 7 times over. People who are good at one of the games but not the other naturally prefer the game they know; each game has subtleties and intricacies that make it fascinating in ways that others are not aware of. I'm by no means a world-class player in either game, but it's very fair to say I'm in the upper 5% at both, and because of my background, I know a number of people who are good at both - some even world class, like Irina Levitina.

I don't know one single person who is good - tournament-level good, say expert+a at chess AND silver life master+ at bridge - who prefers chess. Not one. Bridge incorporates the elements that make chess a great gamesl, and adds elements that chess doesn't have.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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When something is important to you then you make time, even if it's just to vent. Luckily, as I get older, I only repeat myself three or four times before shutting up for a while.
Apparently, judging by the number of threads and posts, it's important to others too.

There's no point in us playing, unless you accept the rook odds, and then it becomes semi-serious to me since I don't want to lose - rook or no rook.

I'll be happy to play anyone on those terms after the first of the year.
In the meanwhile there are other amateur level players here. Why not start a thread like I did? I'm pretty sure someone will pick up the gauntlet.

And, Bridge is better than Chess? Smile x 100,



I don't know how good you are at bridge, so maybe you'll be the exception, but let me preface this with a little background. I used to work full-time, as a teenager, in the largest full-time chess facility in the country. When I wasn't working, I was playing chess or studying chess, and I was one of the most active tournament players in the country. Later, I owned a bridge club, directed tournaments for the American Contract Bridge League, taught classes, competed at fairly high levels, etc. I'm a life master about 7 times over. People who are good at one of the games but not the other naturally prefer the game they know; each game has subtleties and intricacies that make it fascinating in ways that others are not aware of. I'm by no means a world-class player in either game, but it's very fair to say I'm in the upper 5% at both, and because of my background, I know a number of people who are good at both - some even world class, like Irina Levitina.

I don't know one single person who is good - tournament-level good, say expert+a at chess AND silver life master+ at bridge - who prefers chess. Not one. Bridge incorporates the elements that make chess a great gamesl, and adds elements that chess doesn't have.


In my experience playing tournament chess, I found that there is a much higher density of unpleasant people playing chess than in any other activity I have experienced. By a significant margin.

I did make some excellent friends and meet some great people. But the number of unlikable people is quite large.

(For those who care, the activity with the nicest people was astronomy.)
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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For me, the subculture with the best people was curling, by a mile.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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My experience

highest% of unpleasant people: politics
highest% of pleasant people: (surprisingly) theater
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Well NYC Twister, I might consider a game with me playing white and you losing your h8 rook, but otherwise it would be very boring for you.
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On Oct 7, 2017, NYCTwister wrote:
When something is important to you then you make time, even if it's just to vent. Luckily, as I get older, I only repeat myself three or four times before shutting up for a while.
Apparently, judging by the number of threads and posts, it's important to others too.

There's no point in us playing, unless you accept the rook odds, and then it becomes semi-serious to me since I don't want to lose - rook or no rook.

I'll be happy to play anyone on those terms after the first of the year.
In the meanwhile there are other amateur level players here. Why not start a thread like I did? I'm pretty sure someone will pick up the gauntlet.

And, Bridge is better than Chess? x 100,



I don't know how good you are at bridge, so maybe you'll be the exception, but let me preface this with a little background. I used to work full-time, as a teenager, in the largest full-time chess facility in the country. When I wasn't working, I was playing chess or studying chess, and I was one of the most active tournament players in the country. Later, I owned a bridge club, directed tournaments for the American Contract Bridge League, taught classes, competed at fairly high levels, etc. I'm a life master about 7 times over. People who are good at one of the games but not the other naturally prefer the game they know; each game has subtleties and intricacies that make it fascinating in ways that others are not aware of. I'm by no means a world-class player in either game, but it's very fair to say I'm in the upper 5% at both, and because of my background, I know a number of people who are good at both - some even world class, like Irina Levitina.

I don't know one single person who is good - tournament-level good, say expert+a at chess AND silver life master+ at bridge - who prefers chess. Not one. Bridge incorporates the elements that make chess a great gamesl, and adds elements that chess doesn't have.


Lobo, I was kidding.

I have great respect for the game of Bridge - I was acquainted with a few who were said to be very good through a backgammon club I used to belong to.

Aside from that the game just never came onto my radar. Spades and poker, mostly poker, are the only card games I've played outside of childhood. Backgammon and Go are the other games that I've taken seriously.

I don't think you can really compare the two games. One is a game of complete information, and is basically an individual endeavor. The other is a game of incomplete information, has partnership and team dynamics, and has aspects of luck; though I'm sure that at the highest levels it's mitigated to a large extent.

I agree with Magnus that chess attracts a particularly unsavory type. I think that since it's a solitary thing, some people develop a kind of strange kind of narcissism, where they expect to be revered for their 1850 rating.
I've known grand masters that were disgusting people; openly berating lesser skilled players just to puff themselves up, as well as being extremely slovenly.

I want to win, but it's really just a game.

So I can understand the votes for Bridge by those who are good at both.
Btw, you have a VERY impressive resume. I would never have guessed.
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Well NYC Twister, I might consider a game with me playing white and you losing your h8 rook, but otherwise it would be very boring for you.


I'll take a shot, but like I said, it will have to be after the first of the year. Right now life is 1-2 days relative calm, followed by X number of days of crazy.

To give you the move, and that rook, means I'll have to give the game as much attention as it needs, and I can't commit to that now.

I don't see why whoever wants to play can't start a thread. Bill seems willing to play and I'm sure a game would get started.
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However, correspondence bridge is tough to play.


I have seen "experts" in tournaments play so slow it might as well have been correspondence bridge. It was (is) a form of coffeehousing attempting to make the opponents lose concentration and thereby make an error. It was known as the Sominex coup.
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Does anyone play chess online? I'd be interested in playing some fellow magicians.
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