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Spain I believe has mandatory service. I can be wrong. Probably am.

I believe that Switzerland does.

I don't know about Spain.

In that respect, that is.

I've certainly heard of Spain.
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Certainly my wife mentioned Spain at dinner. So I suspected you have heard of it.
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Apparently after 2002 Spain went to volunteer only. This would be so much easier if I just would use Google! Somehow that feels like cheating to me.
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Certainly my wife mentioned Spain at dinner. So I suspected you have heard of it.

Yes! That's where I heard of it!

Thank you!

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They should re-enact the Military draft, that will solve most of youths mistakes during their upbringing, and hopefully make responsible citizens out of them.


I can't even begin to parse this. The solution to gun violence is to teach more people how to kill? NO. The military mentality is a huge part of the problem, not the solution.

FWIW, many mass shooters have had military backgrounds:
https://www.mintpressnews.com/mass-shoot....../234484/

Try again.



From your response, I can tell you have not been in the military. You don't know what you are talking about.
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We’ve all been looking forward to the implementation of complete, total martial law all across the planet.
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We’ve all been looking forward to the implementation of complete, total martial law all across the planet.



Worked well for North Korea.Smile
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I can tell from that response that you have taken part in nuke practice drills.
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I can tell from that response that you have taken part in nuke practice drills.


From your response, I can tell you are not North Korean. You don't know what you are talking about.

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There are literally thousands of places where undisciplined youth can learn discipline and gain a sense of self-worth: schools, bands, theaters, community youth houses, The Peace Corps, building houses, church groups, magic camps, and apprenticeship programs where they can learn a trade that doesn't involve learning how to kill other people while offering themselves up as cannon fodder so that a tiny few might continue to exploit others around the globe.

It is tragic that the military mentality has now evidently so infected civilian life here, that putting high-powered weapons and training into the hands of yet more young people is even seriously considered a solution to the problem of disaffected youth, rather than a ghoulish joke. For every troubled kid that you think the military "straightens out," it leaves a legacy of PTSD and lasting negative consequences for many others.
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Well perhaps but if the Boy Scouts of America are not issued guns then how do you expect them boys to protect themselves from the paedophile epidemic running rampant through that wonderful organization?
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Scouting has gotten more inclusive. https://www.scouting.org/
Not sure whether that will encourage more or less predation.

For folks familiar with firearms:
Is a safety class mandatory?
Is there insurance of the same sort as car users get?
Is there a separate track in practice where one learns to manage the normal reaction to doing harm to another creature?
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There are literally thousands of places where undisciplined youth can learn discipline and gain a sense of self-worth: schools, bands, theaters, community youth houses, The Peace Corps, building houses, church groups, magic camps, and apprenticeship programs where they can learn a trade that doesn't involve learning how to kill other people while offering themselves up as cannon fodder so that a tiny few might continue to exploit others around the globe.

It is tragic that the military mentality has now evidently so infected civilian life here, that putting high-powered weapons and training into the hands of yet more young people is even seriously considered a solution to the problem of disaffected youth, rather than a ghoulish joke. For every troubled kid that you think the military "straightens out," it leaves a legacy of PTSD and lasting negative consequences for many others.


There do seem to be better options than making them part of the military industrial war machine.
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"lasting negative consequences for many others."

Yup, biggest thing I got from my military stint during Viet Nam era was a broken back from superior officer foolishness
and knowledge that most things classified as Secrets are coverups for stupidity or illegal activities.

But, I disagree somewhat with the idea that military training is "putting high powered weapons" in the hands of disaffected youth is a cause of a problem.
Eliminate the disaffected part and weapons training is not a problem. Why do we have "Troubled kids?" That is the problem to solve.

For many people, the non-weapons skills learned far exceed the weapon ones. No student loans either.

Many programs for "mandatory national service" other than military have been explored for decades. They fail because rich folks would not be able to opt out for their kids -
read "members of congress." Also, the ability to sue when Sean get a hangnail would have to be curtailed, so such ideas are killed by attorneys.

I hope landmark finds a way to champion such programs.

Please don't assume that I support the current industrial war machine mentality. I learned when not to shoot a gun. So can our kids.
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I would like get back to the concealed carry issue though ...
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I would like get back to the concealed carry issue though ...


You shouldn't need to carry anything but The Word in a church.
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You shouldn't need to carry anything but The Word in a church.


for Christians that should be enough outside of church also. Well, everyone actually.
I guess maybe "turn the other cheek" is a reload technique for an automatic rifle.

Remember the movie Cat Balou? Guy had a pistol in a carved out bible.
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Regardless of where one stands on CC, surely "Strapping more Bubbas" isn't a reasonable answer to gun violence.
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I would like get back to the concealed carry issue though ...


You shouldn't need to carry anything but The Word in a church.


for Christians that should be enough outside of church also. Well, everyone actually.
I guess maybe "turn the other cheek" is a reload technique for an automatic rifle.

Remember the movie Cat Balou? Guy had a pistol in a carved out bible.


Oh well, he was one of the good guys, so it doesn't count.

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