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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
What do you care what he has to do?
Danny Doyle
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On Dec 13, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote: Please. We're talking about lousy healthcare. If you're happy being #37, perhaps you would enjoy Mozambique at #184. And of course I am talking about solutions. Very disingenuous of you to say otherwise. Medicare is not going bankrupt, though conservatives like to act as if that's a real talking point, nor is it even an entitlement program. It's funded through taxpayer deductions and premiums.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On Dec 13, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote: Well, I'd like to know beforehand what tests I'll be subjected to before I buy a newspaper or donut in your brave new world.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
It is solvant? Interesting position.
Danny Doyle
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Oh you're talking about the solvency of Medicare. Didn't understand for a moment.
Yeah. Paul Ryan is lying. From the FOX owned NY Post: https://nypost.com/2017/01/03/why-medica......ankrupt/ From the CBPP: https://www.cbpp.org/research/health/med......bankrupt Politifact Wisconsin: Mostly False: http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/stat......ankrupt/
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
So medicare is perfectly fine? Got it.
Danny Doyle
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
LOL.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
It also seems that your position is quite often "sure it is bad, but if we just spent MORE money in it everything will work out perfectly".
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts |
Jonathan:
Thank you for laying out your position clearly and plainly for me Landmark: I wasn't being specific about the Colorado case (there's many more), just asking a general question to see if there's at least one are of agreement between us. Let me ask again: Do you at least agree, then, that a religious baker shouldn't be forced to make a gay wedding cake if they don't want to? |
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Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts |
Maybe some clear yes/no questions can cut through some of the posting 'fog' and reboot the discussion.
1) Should the law force private hotels to rent rooms to black people, yes or no? 2) Should the law force a bakery to make a gay wedding cake, yes or no? 3) Should the law force a Jewish sign writer to make posters for a Nazi rally, yes or no? 4) Should public institutions be allowed to use affirmative action hiring systems to increase their racial diversity, yes or no? 5) Should private businesses be allowed to have racial quotas even for white people, yes or no? 6) Should publicly funded colleges cave readily to the hecklers veto to deplatform controversial speakers, yes or no? 7) Should the law force public officials to use people's preferred pronouns, yes or no? 8) Should the law force everyone to use people's preferred pronouns, yes or no? 9) Should there be hate speech laws which criminalise homophobic, Islamophobic or racist language, yes or no? 10) Should the law force private businesses to allow self-identifying women to use the women's restroom, yes or no? 11) If businesses were allowed to discriminate, would things quickly revert to a pre-civil rights era level of bigotry, yes or no? 12) Do non-whites face serious systemic racist discrimination in the USA and the U.K., yes or no? 13) Should non-whites recieve financial reparations for historic abuses, yes or no? 14) Are most white people unconsciously racist, yes or no? 15) Can non-whites be racist in the US or UK, yes or no? 16) Should public institutions have gender quotas as part of their hiring policies, yes or no? 17) Are women paid less than men in the US and UK, yes or no? 18) Are all men unconsciously sexist, yes or no? 19) Should companies be allowed to fire staff for sexist speech, yes or no? 20) Is saying that men and women in general have different strengths and weaknesses, abilities and preferences, sexist, yes or no? |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
What is this 20 questions?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
Oooooo, a pop quiz.
1) Should the law force private hotels to rent rooms to black people, yes or no? no 2) Should the law force a bakery to make a gay wedding cake, yes or no? no 3) Should the law force a Jewish sign writer to make posters for a Nazi rally, yes or no? no 4) Should public institutions be allowed to use affirmative action hiring systems to increase their racial diversity, yes or no? no 5) Should private businesses be allowed to have racial quotas even for white people, yes or no? yes 6) Should publicly funded colleges cave readily to the hecklers veto to deplatform controversial speakers, yes or no? no 7) Should the law force public officials to use people's preferred pronouns, yes or no? no 8) Should the law force everyone to use people's preferred pronouns, yes or no? no 9) Should there be hate speech laws which criminalise homophobic, Islamophobic or racist language, yes or no? no 10) Should the law force private businesses to allow self-identifying women to use the women's restroom, yes or no? no 11) If businesses were allowed to discriminate, would things quickly revert to a pre-civil rights era level of bigotry, yes or no? hell no 12) Do non-whites face serious systemic racist discrimination in the USA and the U.K., yes or no? yes 13) Should non-whites recieve financial reparations for historic abuses, yes or no? no 14) Are most white people unconsciously racist, yes or no? no 15) Can non-whites be racist in the US or UK, yes or no? yes 16) Should public institutions have gender quotas as part of their hiring policies, yes or no? no 17) Are women paid less than men in the US and UK, yes or no? yes 18) Are all men unconsciously sexist, yes or no? no 19) Should companies be allowed to fire staff for sexist speech, yes or no? yes 20) Is saying that men and women in general have different strengths and weaknesses, abilities and preferences, sexist, yes or no? no
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Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts |
I'd answer 5 and 15, 'yes.' The rest 'no'.
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RNK Inner circle 7491 Posts |
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On Dec 14, 2017, Terrible Wizard wrote: Well Landmark? Can't wait to hear your answer?????????? I will provide my answer: NO- the religious baker should NOT be forced to make the cake for the gay couple.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
The Bill of Rights guarantees that the government can never deprive people in the U.S. of certain fundamental rights including the right to freedom of religion.
Tom
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
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On Dec 14, 2017, Dannydoyle wrote: I can say that I saw #3 happen. I used to work for a typesetting firm run by two Jewish guys both named Barry. One day, young Barry gives me a job designing a flyer for an American Nazi rally. Old Barry comes in and I say, offhand Lt; “Odd thing for us to be doing.” (We usually did magazine articles and cover titles.) He went into the inner office and there was a major blowup between the two Barrys! Incidentally, I don’t think the two cases are comparable because, to the best of my recollection, gays have never argued, or initiated, a campaign of violence against bakers. Whether you accept or deny the “6 million Jews killed” argument, there is no doubt that Nazis began a campaign of harassment, violence, and finally, incarceration against Jews and that modern Nazis support and would like to follow their example. So a Jewish person could deny a Nazi contract.
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Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts |
How must damage must a group be guilty of before one should be able to legally refuse to make something for them?
Could I refuse a Soviet flag? A British flag? A Christian cross? A Muslim crescent? A picture of Barbie? |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Dec 14, 2017, Terrible Wizard wrote: ...even if you have to bring some in at additional cost. But not a thought for Chinese folks who, as a group, make up about a fifth of the world's population ... under-represented in the hotel... where are the signs in Chinese?... what's with that blatant display of ignorance? Abusing words in political catchphrases imposes Orwellian NuSpeak while distracting from hard won civil progress. Consider the EEOC as guide rather than 'affirmative action'. Another example - the characters in the movie "The Boys in the Band" don't seem too happy... so why call them "gay"? How many times do you need to hear the word shibboleth? What's the objection to letting those who want a more diverse environment seek out such rather than attempting to import or impose diversity? We are so far from being ready to explore racism and self-justification as mental illness.
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Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts |
I'd be interested to see your 20 yes.no responses Jonathan
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On Dec 14, 2017, Terrible Wizard wrote: No. To the listener it's a sweeping generalization - marking the speaker - but for workplace issues probably depends on context. We have an EEOC for job qualifications. Qualifications for Doctor, lawyer, mathematician, architect or workplace supervisor etc. have nothing to do with which bathroom someone uses. Construction workers, firemen, policemen have some work related physical fitness qualifications that seem sensible.
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