On Dec 16, 2017, The Duster wrote:
So you buy this and Marc replaces them for free [?]

You have to hope after three years he is still in business / has the stock [?]

So many links/websites for sellers are dead that are three years or more old [on these forums]

Seems bit crazy there is no charging unit that comes with the package [?]

On Dec 16, 2017, J M Talbot wrote:
Justin in fairness to Marc the wood box is not needed in the routine or to turn the dice off as I stated above. I appreciate that people are put off by the fact the dice are not rechargeable... Then you should not buy it. For me it has been a great product.

For the price point the quality is very good. As mentioned earlier Marcs rising cards are a work of art he is a decent guy and makes good stuff. This is just an option, will suit some and not others.

On Dec 16, 2017, Justin Lewis wrote:
Here are some points to consider:

1 This isn't new at all. Craig offers a multiple gesture receiver which works with more than one dice. He even has different colors you can choose from, white, black and red. I have two RDRs, one white and one black and I've used them with the gesture receiver. I've come to the conclusion that using more than one die does not advance the effect at all, it actually detracts. It becomes more of a puzzle rather than direct mind reading. Craig even suggest not to use two dice. He not only creates but he also actually performs a lot.. this is the advantage of Promystic and this contributes to the success of Promystic tools. They are made by a Performer for performers. What makes RD (real die) so useful for the working performer is its simple and direct workings. On the Promystic Facebook group there has been discussions why one die in use is the way to go. Many top guys agree to this. Just take a look at the demo video for this, the reactions are poor, if not puzzled and confused.

2. Visual display is a step backwards. Breaking eye contact with you audience and having to look down is a huge negative.

3. The idea of needing a big box to carry the dice is not practical at all. Even if you want to stroll with it you still need the large box to shut them off? I know someone who has this and he regrettably did not shut the dice of correctly. It was dead in two weeks. Consider how much time in between effects this die will not be in play. It would be hard to stop what you are doing and follow the procedure to turn them off correctly. I would say almost impossible if you are a performer. Those minutes that the dice are not turned off will add up and eat into your life of the battery. Not to mention strolling. Pocket inventory is a commodity. The PM die lasts 7-10+ years and required minimal pocket space.

4. At $425 retail, Murphy’s is buying these for about $170. I seriously doubt either Murphy’s or Mark will be replacing your die for free. If they are like PM dice you can’t just open them and replace the battery, you have to replace the entire die. I don’t think this is sustainable long term. This raises concern for me. There is no way he giving a new set when this dies.. I would want this in writing from Murphys or the guy that is making them. From what I've witness he couldn't sale these at magic live. Throwing them to a large distributor is the next thing he had do to sale them.

So for $425 you will get a copy that you can play with for a year or so if you are lucky, or you can buy a RD that has been proven to be powerful and work for 7-10+ years. And you get a receiver that works with arguably the best mentalism product line and service available anywhere.

-Justin

On Dec 16, 2017, jaizon wrote:

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On Dec 16, 2017, J M Talbot wrote:
Justin in fairness to Marc the wood box is not needed in the routine or to turn the dice off as I stated above. I appreciate that people are put off by the fact the dice are not rechargeable... Then you should not buy it. For me it has been a great product.

For the price point the quality is very good. As mentioned earlier Marcs rising cards are a work of art he is a decent guy and makes good stuff. This is just an option, will suit some and not others.

Big problem going into a big gig and not knowing if the dice will just crap out during the show. That would make anyone nervous I would think. Still no solid reports of useful life of a die.

On Dec 16, 2017, kieronthemighty wrote:

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On Dec 16, 2017, Justin Lewis wrote:
Here are some points to consider:

1 This isn't new at all. Craig offers a multiple gesture receiver which works with more than one dice. He even has different colors you can choose from, white, black and red. I have two RDRs, one white and one black and I've used them with the gesture receiver. I've come to the conclusion that using more than one die does not advance the effect at all, it actually detracts. It becomes more of a puzzle rather than direct mind reading. Craig even suggest not to use two dice. He not only creates but he also actually performs a lot.. this is the advantage of Promystic and this contributes to the success of Promystic tools. They are made by a Performer for performers. What makes RD (real die) so useful for the working performer is its simple and direct workings. On the Promystic Facebook group there has been discussions why one die in use is the way to go. Many top guys agree to this. Just take a look at the demo video for this, the reactions are poor, if not puzzled and confused.

2. Visual display is a step backwards. Breaking eye contact with you audience and having to look down is a huge negative.

3. The idea of needing a big box to carry the dice is not practical at all. Even if you want to stroll with it you still need the large box to shut them off? I know someone who has this and he regrettably did not shut the dice of correctly. It was dead in two weeks. Consider how much time in between effects this die will not be in play. It would be hard to stop what you are doing and follow the procedure to turn them off correctly. I would say almost impossible if you are a performer. Those minutes that the dice are not turned off will add up and eat into your life of the battery. Not to mention strolling. Pocket inventory is a commodity. The PM die lasts 7-10+ years and required minimal pocket space.

4. At $425 retail, Murphy’s is buying these for about $170. I seriously doubt either Murphy’s or Mark will be replacing your die for free. If they are like PM dice you can’t just open them and replace the battery, you have to replace the entire die. I don’t think this is sustainable long term. This raises concern for me. There is no way he giving a new set when this dies.. I would want this in writing from Murphys or the guy that is making them. From what I've witness he couldn't sale these at magic live. Throwing them to a large distributor is the next thing he had do to sale them.

So for $425 you will get a copy that you can play with for a year or so if you are lucky, or you can buy a RD that has been proven to be powerful and work for 7-10+ years. And you get a receiver that works with arguably the best mentalism product line and service available anywhere.

-Justin

He sold out at magic live as I tried to get a copy. I also own ProMystic products the great I own a dice . But I think three dice add so much possibilities for multiple speactor interaction.
A bit of competition is healthy it keeps the technology advancing. I’m looking forward to using a display. Also one thing with the battery is the box tells you how much power is in the battery. Also it comes with a two year warranty.

On Dec 16, 2017, Robert M wrote:
They didn't allow him to "sale" it at Magic Live? That's news to me. Hmm...

Robert