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I have joined a group called the 3 Magi (3 people including myself). I myself am a mentalist, and the other two are both magicians [sorry if some of you wish to criticise me for calling mentalists not magicians, they probably are but I am for want of better wording].
I think we will soon start performing as a trio, but I am wondering whether me as a mentalist and the nature of mentalism as a type of magic will be overshadowed by coin and card magic effects, with the greater use of props and specialist equiptment, such as the cigarette through the card trick, and the cups and balls routine? can anyone say they have been in this position?
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I don't believe there is any definitive answer. It is very possible that in certain venues, a strong mentalist's performance would have far more of an emotional impact on a crowd than a magician's.

Are the three of you equally experienced? I imagine the more experienced performer will attract the most attention at the outset, if he or she wants to. Hopefully, if this is a meeting of equals, you will all share and learn from one another and create an act that gives all three of you equal opportunity to shine.
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If you give a strong performance it will be the other way around... You will oversahdow them..
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As I am the card 'magician' in The 3 Magi I think I should comment...
When you gain more experience we will be equal. Also it depends on the spectators opinion, some may like mental effects, otehr may prefer the classic card and coin magic.
I could have said this in person to you but I don't know where you are right now...
Anyway..look out for us in the future - The 3 Magi!

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Hmmm...

Try to keep the word “overshadow” out of the equation.

If you are thinking on perform toghether, none of you are there to overshadow any of the others.

Try to design a show taken advantage of each one, instead of compete among yourselves.
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As the 3rd member of the trio I would like to add that I will try not to 'overshadow' you 2 but I can't promise anything. Mentalism is hard to master but can have a much greater effect on the spectater than ordinary magic if done right.

Keep practicing and everyone look out for the one and the only- 'The 3 Magi' (well actually theres another one but just ignore that)

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No there's not, you just misunderstood me...
'The 3 Magi' were supposed to be the first ever magicians known to history...hopefully we can replicate that...
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The 3 Magi is not a bad idea.

Do each of you adopt a stage name of Balthazar, Melchior and/or Caspar?

Are your performing personalities each well-developed and distinct from the others?

What venues are you concentrating on (close-up? parlor? stage?)

Do you perform in a set order? In this kind of context, perhaps one of the three should be a "serious" magician, one a comedy performer and the third the mentalist. And each person's performance is given a context by the immediately preceding performer. That is a factor that should be useful to the second and third performers, but means that the first has to captivate the audience.

Why not let us know how you guys approach this performing context and let us know how it works out in actual performance.

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That's a gud idea bout the three persona's thanx 4 ur input opus! I'm new to the magic business, but the other two in the 3 magi have been at it for roughly half a year, so I'm trying hard to catch up! We'l keep you posted!
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Whoa there guys, you've been into magic for less than the other two who have been into magic for half a year!!!!!!
Slow down, take a breath and don't rush out to be performing for the public without being ready. There is a lot of material out there, there are a lot of ways you can present yourself your 'crew' (sorry about the terminology, I'm a hip-hop head!!), you will have to know each others material like your own so you can back each other up if something goes wrong.
If you really think you're ready then by all means go for it, and I don't want to be the one who bursts your bubble (ala luke jermay) but seriously take your time and think about what you are doing and who you are, read the material out there on presentation, and the emotional aspect of magical performance. If you do, I swear, you'll be a lot better off I the long run.

But hey, just my 2pence worth!!

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Thanx Xia, I'm not going to rush out and perform yet-i wouldnt be able to! I was just wondering [topic title] for future purposes! seeing as they've been in it much longer, I am goin 2 have to work hard 2 get better- unfortunatly we've got GCSE's [life-determining exams] coming up so I think il just learnt little bits here and there until afterwards when I will go on a heavy undertaking to try and catch up!

thanx 4 everyones comments
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Cool, if there is any help you want pm me. or email.
By the fact that your doing GCSE's I'm guessing your in the uk.
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Yeh in uk, thanx Xia-do you do performances/r you in a circle? wot kinda magic you do?
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Mentalism, I have just started up a group of mentalists from this site who will be meeting in london monthly, the list is full up at the moment but I'll let you know if anyone drops out etc.
I do perform but not on stage, I'm close up only and it isn't my profession, but I would say I'm quite knowledgeable when it comes to mentalism, I have been performing close up for a while now.
If it wasn't for my current career going so well I may have looked into metalism as a full time job, but right now I'll keep it as a side line.
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Magi Crew's....i think is a sensational way forward, teaming up allows for so many more possibilities especially in regards to team pickpocketing and pocket loading.

I'd like to see a TV special or show with a crew of Magi's just tearin' it up.

I was training in a small crew also, but then I moved so I must start another one..
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To answer the original question, if anybody does any "overshadowing" it will be the one who is the most entertaining, regardless of the nature of the material he chooses.

You are all three very new to this if it's been less than a year, but I applaud your energy and wish you the best of luck.

Back to what I was talking about before...sure you need great material, and good audiences, but you have to learn to connect with the audience, which you could do by weaving baskets if you wanted. The secret is in the connection.

That being said, I encourage all three of you to study all types of performers. You will learn a great deal from an evening at the opera, or a night at a comedy club. TV is great for watching experienced performers, but get into a live audience to experience the energy, then fuse that into your shows.

And, most importantly, use every show as a learning experience. My father, a public speaker, encouraged me to keep a "log" of every performance. What really worked, what fell flat, what to improve and what to NEVER do again!

So get out there guys! Watch performances, DO performances, and always keep learning.

Cheers!

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Thanx Don Marco, I'm sure all of the 3 Magi will keep this in mind and the idea of a performance log is great!
I'm sure in a few years we will look back on this and realise it as invaluable advice!
'When you steal one trick, they call it plagiarism. When you steal many - they call it research.'

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Very interesting --- especially when you consider that many of the great mentalists also included straight magic in their shows.

For you young guys trying this out -- please realize that script and dramatic art in what you are doing are everything. If you are going for mystery -- but mix in comedy in the wrong spots -- you'll win praise for neither.

How do your effects play together? Do they compliment or compete? Is the audience drawn into everything as a puzzle that should figure out (by "regular" magic) or into the mysterious development of powers we cannot explain.

Some years ago -- some people were said to receive radio signals in strange amalgam fillings in their teeth. Or was that communication from outer space? Now how does that fit in with the sawing in two one of your magi just spent $3500 on purchasing?

Consider character, statement, drama and script direction with a purpose and you'll have a lot more than a variety show of magical puzzles. Do less if you just want to make money ---- GC
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