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alexlatorre
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Quite the unlucky timing. Opinions?

Control: http://www.murphysmagic.com/Product.aspx?id=52841

Silent Assistant: http://www.murphysmagic.com/Product.aspx?id=57793
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Out of the two I would go for control since one is made by sansmind
bloodkin
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I have an inkling that "Control" has more power. I already have devices that do the same thing, but I am picking up "Control" manically for the insights on the effects and I think it might be a more refined product than what I'm using now.
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Save money and get PK Blista, it's more versatile and a LOT cheaper. New isn't always better.
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There have been some questions to myself regarding Control with comparisons to Silent Assistant? Being one of the testers of Control and seeing it’s evolution I’d thought I’d give my opinion. I appreciate all the private messages on Control. This will be easier as I’m crazy busy.

Full Disclosure Darryl is a brother I’m lucky to benefit from his magical thinking.

Darryl Vanamburg has created an invisible Utility device that you will actually use.

After seeing the "silent assistant" video ... when you put the two side-by-side the "Control device" You can do more with Control.

It stays in position without the risk of it falling off and you can put your hands completely flat/open when using it. No fear of this falling off.

Control comes with an entire kit of usable props. Plus you can get in and out of control in a split second. Showing your hands completely empty. This has proven valuable to me when performing for the most skeptical individuals.

The quality manufactured items is second to none.
The in-depth instruction by Gregory Wilson will propel your magic forward. This will be fun to practice and only limited by your imagination.

Looking forward to 2018.
Mike
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Hello all…Hope you’ve all enjoyed your Christmas and are getting ready for a great New year.

I/We Put so Much Time/R&D into all this…

Id like to clear the air after Sans Minds decided to release Silent Assistant “Following” the pre-release Of Control…

No surprise I found out Sans intended to release silent assistant months down the road …but changed their plan the moment they saw that the Control Pre-Order release took place. So For this I Do apologize for all the confusion between the two Releases.
For the record I would never do such a thing. That is not how I do business. I respect the magic community and have integrity. Control has my blood, sweat and tears. I believe you should be rewarded for hard work, time and Dedication on a worthy Product release like this. As well as go to the extent to obtain the Blessing from the first mover creator to go ahead with a similar release. This is not how they chose to operate… and it is frustrating to say the very least, to a point it makes me not want to share what I’m working on right now. I know I’m not the only one feeling this way. Thanks to all for the positive messages and support.


To Clarify the differences between the two for you all….
When designing “Control” the end vision of it was to allow the performer to create astonishing visual mind over matter type magical PK effects(Hence the hands of Power) for magicians and Mentalists alike.

The Goal was to allow the performer to start with actual empty hands..Then with in a very quick moment retrieve the very Powerful device with out the risk of it falling off.. and then execute the effect. Immediately after the effect - With-In literally a split second the performer is left With their Hands Completely Empty and Absolutely Clean.

—>Control is exactly that!!

1. Your Hands Are Truly Empty…Then Retrieve Device in real time secured into position.

2. Perform the Magical Feet…

3. Show the Hands Completely Empty right after.


The capabilities with this are extensive…The Watch stop, Rock Whirl, Bill/paper/Napkin Through Drinking Glass and Or coin or other items through glass Table surface etc is just a few of many favourite effects I like to perform with it.


Once retrieval of the Invisible device is executed…The Sure Strength & Power of the Custom Designed M****t is securely snugged into place allowing the hand to open flat with out the risk of it slipping off from your Hand.

The Gimmick is also Adjustable to fit snugged to ones Finger size


and Yes…You can Flash the Gimmick as well.


I wanted the device to be Strong to allow Great distance from the Items… which means you can manipulate objects from further away, from underneath a table, and really make it feel as if you aren’t coming anywhere near the object being manipulated etc…

This strength and Security certainly helps Make all the difference when it comes to maximizing the confidence in the performer to allow them to focus all energy on their performance and audience interaction…and less energy worrying about something screwing up and or getting caught out etc.

Aside from all Above…I really wanted to provide something that allowed No Limitations and to inspire personal creativity with this…And So We Put together an entire arsenal of routines, props, Gimmicks and Ideas to allow you the performer to get the most out of the Control System…I might add all the Material Provided and Taught By Gregory Wilson along with The Murphys Magic Team are of great Value as well.


Hope this has provided some level of clarification for you all.

Thank You and I Wish you all have a great 2018!!

Darryl Vanamburg
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I'm very interested in getting into this sort of thing, so it does kind of suck that they both came out at the same time. However, from what I'm seeing, it looks like Control is a much more complete package for the beginner. Is there a US distributer of Control, or is it all in the UK?
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I'm very interested in getting into this sort of thing, so it does kind of suck that they both came out at the same time. However, from what I'm seeing, it looks like Control is a much more complete package for the beginner. Is there a US distributer of Control, or is it all in the UK?


I ordered mine from Penguin. Hocus Pocus probably has it too.
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Wait ... Sans Minds did something shady? AGAIN?!? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

The fact that people continue to do business with this company is so sad for the magic community as a whole. And yet, they do, so <sigh>
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On Dec 29, 2017, XaviumLord wrote:
I'm very interested in getting into this sort of thing, so it does kind of suck that they both came out at the same time. However, from what I'm seeing, it looks like Control is a much more complete package for the beginner. Is there a US distributer of Control, or is it all in the UK?


I ordered mine from Penguin. Hocus Pocus probably has it too.


Thanks for that. Would I be right in assuming that Control is a more logical step for beginners? Silent Assistant seems to only include the singular gimmick itself, but from what I'm reading, Control comes with a few other small things as well to really help get you started. If that's the case, my choice is pretty clear.
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I'm very interested in getting into this sort of thing, so it does kind of suck that they both came out at the same time. However, from what I'm seeing, it looks like Control is a much more complete package for the beginner. Is there a US distributer of Control, or is it all in the UK?


Some of the places in the US (probably more, but here are several) :

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S24345

https://www.hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/pr......em=45528

https://www.magicandsuch.com/product/con......namburg/
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Hello Xaviumlord

The Package Comes with an Arsenal of Stuff.

Darryl Smile
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Hello Xaviumlord

The Package Comes with an Arsenal of Stuff.

Darryl Smile


Here I am trying not to spend more money, but this looks pretty interesting. You mentioned in another thread there's no finger palming necessary. One of the things that turned me off from other in-the-hands devices such as, say, Tarantula, is how unnatural you look with it. Silent Assistant seems to hold snug to you pretty well. If you've got a guarantee that I don't have to contort my hands/fingers into ungodly shapes to use Control, you'll win me completely over.

EDIT: oh, and is it easy to adjust to get that snug fit?
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I'm just going to get them both. I'm sure there will be uses for both, 1 over the other at times eh ?
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I'm very interested in getting into this sort of thing, so it does kind of suck that they both came out at the same time. However, from what I'm seeing, it looks like Control is a much more complete package for the beginner. Is there a US distributer of Control, or is it all in the UK?


I ordered mine from Penguin. Hocus Pocus probably has it too.


Thanks for that. Would I be right in assuming that Control is a more logical step for beginners? Silent Assistant seems to only include the singular gimmick itself, but from what I'm reading, Control comes with a few other small things as well to really help get you started. If that's the case, my choice is pretty clear.


Yes. Especially if you are looking to do PK type effects. Although the bill through glass routine is killer. You could assemble your own materials fairly easily, but if you're starting out, having an all in one with the teaching to go along with it will give a huge jumpstart with this particular method.
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Xavium I can absoultley guarantee you don't need to feel awkward with your hands.(no hand contorting.) It is with intelligent design to keep your hands looking natural and free of any trickery. You will be wearing Control and it stays secure. This has way more power than Silent Assistant. Plus the ability to have your hands complety empty and clean before and after any of the effects. No need to worry about cleaning up the gimmick like silent assistant. I have taken care of everything from the beginner/hobbyist to the working pro.

I have used this for the last few years with great success, it is easy and fun to perform.
And yes it is easy to adjust and get the snug fit.

Darryl
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Alright, you win. Preorder placed through Penguin and looking forward to it Smile
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I don't know, so I ordered both. I'm attracted to these items.

I still don't see the issue with the ring. Plus I have worn one for decades (going back to Omega) and never ruined a credit card.

Also, I used to use The Bat when I needed a barehanded, quiet, change or vanish, and my hands were empty after the action.
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I don't know, so I ordered both. I'm attracted to these items.

I still don't see the issue with the ring. Plus I have worn one for decades (going back to Omega) and never ruined a credit card.

Also, I used to use The Bat when I needed a barehanded, quiet, change or vanish, and my hands were empty after the action.


Hey Tony, how was your walk?

I still use my bat. Had to replace the fabric and also made a more powerful version. Great for wearing on your shoes.
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Aren't both of these variations on Nick Night's Enigma from about 30 years ago?
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