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On Sep 8, 2018, MDantes wrote:
I’m 2 steps away from purchasing this.

I imagine you could use Murrey’s I-Cal work to obtain the numbers covertly. Gregory Wilson’s exact change would be amazing with this too!


How would you use exact change with this? I can't see how you would use the two together?
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“Many a good trick is killed by improvement “ Al Baker.

KISS.
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For those not on the FB group please note there is now an update for the iOS version of the app which will improve your experience further.
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NICE! I just updated...
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Saddened to hear us Android users won't be getting an upgrade as it's not worth it financially for Nick to make unfortunately.
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Thanks Nick, that’s excellent news.
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ANDROID APP UPDATE!
Craig Squires and myself (Nick) did not really want to go in to too much detail but appreciate that Android users are curious as to if and when an Android update would be ready.

This is the open, honest and frank reality.

It is always a speculative risk making an App. The cost of development is many thousands of pounds.

After the iOS release we received many Android requests with comments such as “Android are 50% of the app market” and “You are missing out on business” “Why are you not making it available for Android” “It’s not fair” etc.

After careful consideration and advise telling us to stay clear of Android Apps, even though we were under no obligation, we decided to take the risk and invest in an Android version so the Android magic community could benefit from DFB too.

Many thousands of pounds later we had a identical DFB to the iOS version.

Compared to iOS, sales were frankly disappointing. And here is the most frustrating thing, Despite our attempt to make it un-copyable, within days our IP and App were pirated and offered for sale off the Google Play store without our consent.

It is impossible for us to know who or how many have pirated copies but we do know from sales figures that it makes no commercial sense whatsoever for us to pay many hundreds/thousands of pounds to update an app that will simply be pirated again within days.

We live in a world where digital theft is seen as a victimless crime. It is not. It has cost us personally a lot of money. We wont make the same mistake again.

THE GOOD NEWS :
The Android version of DFB is still as awesome as it was a week ago! It delivers exactly what it promised to.

THE BAD NEWS:
Sadly we have to protect our own financial and business interests ahead of the relatively small number of genuine customers who would benefit from this update.

We know it is frustrating for Android users, but we have taken the joint decision that will be no further Android updates for the foreseeable future.

Unlike Google Play, Apple protect apps in a way which means that developers/owners of Apps are not left open to rogue traders.

Whilst disappointing we hope you will appreciate the reasons why Android users are not likely to be getting the same updates as iOS users from this point on.

Nick & Craig Squires
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The part that I find confusing is that whilst Nick says one of the reasons its not worth updating for Android users is because of finance and yet he's given the Iphone users the update for free.....As frustrating as it is I'm just happy we have it on Android again....but just to put it out there I would be happy to pay for an upgrade even though others have it for free.
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Warren can I ask you this: why don't you contact Nick & Craig so you can invest in the Android version, probably make a quid and they too.

but let me warn you... in business if you don't have sales, there’s no business - simple as that.

Cheers
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Seemed to become a financial issue mainly due to the easy pirating of Android apps.
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Well this is very disappointing as I own both IPhone and a Sony Android

As I use the Android most of the Time, I waited for this to come out, only to find that it will no longer be supported

and while it does work fine at the moment, who knows what will happen when the next version of Android comes out

If I had known this was going to happen I would have purchased the IPhone version from the start,

I guess that is the one downside of Phone apps you never know what’s going to happen round the corner !
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On Sep 11, 2018, Martin.Lester wrote:
Well this is very disappointing as I own both IPhone and a Sony Android

As I use the Android most of the Time, I waited for this to come out, only to find that it will no longer be supported

and while it does work fine at the moment, who knows what will happen when the next version of Android comes out

If I had known this was going to happen I would have purchased the IPhone version from the start,

I guess that is the one downside of Phone apps you never know what’s going to happen round the corner !


That's an interesting point it looks like we're going to be left in the lurch unfortunately.
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I’m still waiting for the windows version. Smile
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I can see the creators point.
What's the use investing thousands for a platform where piracy is rife.
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As long as the app we have on android now keeps working I'll still be happy as it's a great product and I can make do with what I have as Iphones just aren't for me.
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Disappointing indeed! Pirating is not the issue in my opinion as that could have been circumvented via subscription/licenses/etc. Just look at Inject and the E Apps!

Either way, it is their business model and they have no obligation to continue developing an app. However, since they decided not to update it, it is a fair game for any one else to use their idea on Android especially once the app stops working due to Android updates.

It had a good run on Android. It still works for now so that is good. It is just another lesson to not invest in any apps unless the track record is clear along with support.For example, in Android, Google for example promises support for its phone for 2 years. Beyond that it is fair game. They have supported beyond 2 years for some phones but not less. And even when they changed it, they gave time and leeway to directly affected phones. Buying the phone knowing it will only be supported for whatever time frame is enough for us to make a decision. With 99c apps, it would not matter much, but for performers paying premium price, not so much.

And the argument, 'get an iphone' is already old and pointless. Not everyone are willing to invest in another device or carry 2 phones. Funny that we make a big deal of one trick pony decks but, get an iphone so you can perform that one effect.

Next time someone releases an app, I hope they define their support period. At least that way, the investment can be assess as to whether it is worth it or not.

With all that said, I really hope Craig and Nick reconsider the Android version especially that they barely tapped into its potential with Android (and they cannot achieve the same with the iPhone).
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On Sep 11, 2018, ash2arani wrote:
Disappointing indeed! Pirating is not the issue in my opinion as that could have been circumvented via subscription/licenses/etc. Just look at Inject and the E Apps!

Either way, it is their business model and they have no obligation to continue developing an app. However, since they decided not to update it, it is a fair game for any one else to use their idea on Android especially once the app stops working due to Android updates.

It had a good run on Android. It still works for now so that is good. It is just another lesson to not invest in any apps unless the track record is clear along with support.For example, in Android, Google for example promises support for its phone for 2 years. Beyond that it is fair game. They have supported beyond 2 years for some phones but not less. And even when they changed it, they gave time and leeway to directly affected phones. Buying the phone knowing it will only be supported for whatever time frame is enough for us to make a decision. With 99c apps, it would not matter much, but for performers paying premium price, not so much.

And the argument, 'get an iphone' is already old and pointless. Not everyone are willing to invest in another device or carry 2 phones. Funny that we make a big deal of one trick pony decks but, get an iphone so you can perform that one effect.

Next time someone releases an app, I hope they define their support period. At least that way, the investment can be assess as to whether it is worth it or not.

With all that said, I really hope Craig and Nick reconsider the Android version especially that they barely tapped into its potential with Android (and they cannot achieve the same with the iPhone).


Devils advocate. Inject HAS had pirating issues when it comes to Android, and the E apps are web apps, which do have some limits traditional apps don't have.
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Nick & Craig's main help on the tech is Mark, who predominately focuses on IOS based apps. I'm actually surprised they even released an android version.

This isn't even a major update, it's just altered a couple of small things that have bothered a few of us for a while. Android users still have an amazing app, no need to switch over or buy a second phone for these small changes..

..but for all the other apps available on Apple? If you're a pro I think you should at least consider getting a second phone (second hand of course). We all know the amazing apps Mark has produced, but the little known app "iTHUMP" is one of the most powerful apps available. It also directly highlights the weaknesses with web apps (in comparison to native Apple apps), as its essentially cipher... but infinitely better in every way. its my favourite app and I will never convert to android purely because it exists.

100% a business investment for the future. Apple is just very magic app friendly unfortunately.

For the hobbiest or the man who only has an interest in DFB/inject? Stick to android if you prefer it.
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I agree that iThump is the best app on the market. And nobody really knows it...
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Shame about android magic ;0(
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