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I've heard David on numerous interviews explaining how he only did illusions. He never hides this fact. I think his exact words on one occasion: "I think calling myself an illusionist is being very honest with people." He went on to say much more explaining what an illusionist is...I don't have a good enough memory to type it out though Smile

I think people believe his powers are real because he has been dominant in this art for over 20 years. He was/is doing things that no other magician was/is doing. He has done so many 'firsts' that people can only assume he is real. Haha...I guess yearly tv specials help this. But who in the past 25 years has captivated audiences world wide in the art of magic? Sure, there have been two or three that have come and gone, but David has stayed and stands the test of time.
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On 2004-04-25 16:07, MichaelKent wrote:
I've seen some screw ups in the Copperfield show throughout the years, and have to say that if I was watching the tricks for the first time, I probably would never have been able to tell the difference. Offhand, the one that stands out most is in "Voyeur." I've seen it 4 or 5 times, and seen it screwed up at least twice.

When compared with our shows, however, that is such a small percentage! More than being meticulous with detail or thinking out everything in advance, nothing beats being able to perform the same show 500 times a year.


I am familiar with the title voyeur for one of his effects, but I don't recall what the illusion is. Could you refresh my memory on this one, and tell a little about the nature of the screw -up?
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Voyeur was the illusion in which DC took two beautiful young ladies from a bed, walked them across the stage, covered them for what seemed like 1 second. Long story short, they vanished and reappeared on the bed.

I saw DC screw up "Anthrax" (he dropped the cards). When I asked a [lay] person who saw the show the very next night, he said that he dropped the cards twice. But being a layperson he thought that it was simply something that DC did. He barely had patter to compensate for one dropping of the cards, I don't know how he filled time after dropping them a second time. Mortal? Yes. In-freakin-credible? Yes. Truly magical? No.

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NFox,

Do you recall which Special Voyeur was performed on?

And also, what is the Anthrax effect that you mentioned?
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Voyeur was on "Tornado of Fire." And anthrax is a trick that he is currently touring with on his "An Intimate Evening of Grand Illusion" tour. If I remember correctly he has a few people on stage, one holding a box with a scorpion named Anthrax in it, the other picks a card and returns it to the deck. David fans the cards into a spiral, and clips them that way with one of those big metal spring clips/clamps. He picks up Anthrax by the tail and has him pick the card out. I could be wrong on this, but I believe it was invented by a Mexician magician, who still holds the rights to perform it in Mexico, but David has the rights everywhere else.

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As a matter of fact, David seems to be screwing up the Anthrax trick a lot. When I went to see his show when he came here in Toronto, he dropped the cards twice. But I throught it was still a neat way of revealing the card. Oh David when will you ever do something that's not impressive..... I mean... he's got a normal haircut now... what's next?!?!?!? Smile

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Although I like that he has a normal haircut, I still want to see him bring back his shiny silver jacket that he had for the Lear Jet and Statue of Liberty Vanishes. That jacket was the best thing to happen to magic.

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PS: Mindfreak, was he using the joke of "I am going to spiral these cards, yes spiral just like Martha Stewart's (or Michael Jackson's) career." I'm just curious to see how/if his show and patter evolve.
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You know I find this topic very intresting as well. I actually know people who fear David (Im not joking) because they really think he is the devil.

Right now people are looking at David thinking he has real magical powers because of things like cutting himself in half and going to Hawaii...but back in the day they probably would have said the same things about illusions many of us "regular" magicians/illusionists do now...such as the Oragami, the Head Mover, Cardiographic, and even smaller things such as The Crazy Mans Handcuffs just to name a few.

The reason people think he has all these magical powers is probably for a few different reasons. First off because he has great showmanship, great lighting and blocking (as mentioned in an earlier post)...but the bigger reason is probably because he is the innovator of so many different tricks and illusions. Instead of doing something old, he is the one to do it first and make the reputation for the trick. If he got on stage now and did a Zig-Zag woman, I don't think many people would think he had any special powers.....but send someone to Hawaii and we've got the devil.
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Hahahahaahahhah. (2 above post)


Nick,

He didn't say that no. He just said something along the lines of "I'll spiral these cards, just like this and...." (cards fall). hhahahha But it was cool. Many people thought it was just part of the show from what I overheard. Some woman was saying how she thought it very suspensful. Just goes to show ya.....

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Voyeur was on "Tornado of Fire." And anthrax is a trick that he is currently touring with on his "An Intimate Evening of Grand Illusion" tour. If I remember correctly he has a few people on stage, one holding a box with a scorpion named Anthrax in it, the other picks a card and returns it to the deck. David fans the cards into a spiral, and clips them that way with one of those big metal spring clips/clamps. He picks up Anthrax by the tail and has him pick the card out. I could be wrong on this, but I believe it was invented by a Mexician magician, who still holds the rights to perform it in Mexico, but David has the rights everywhere else.

Nick Fox


So it's basicly the card finding duck plot, gone hyper modern?

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On 2004-04-27 01:18, dovemagic9 wrote:
You know I find this topic very intresting as well. I actually know people who fear David (Im not joking) because they really think he is the devil.

Right now people are looking at David thinking he has real magical powers because of things like cutting himself in half and going to Hawaii...but back in the day they probably would have said the same things about illusions many of us "regular" magicians/illusionists do now...such as the Oragami, the Head Mover, Cardiographic, and even smaller things such as The Crazy Mans Handcuffs just to name a few.

The reason people think he has all these magical powers is probably for a few different reasons. First off because he has great showmanship, great lighting and blocking (as mentioned in an earlier post)...but the bigger reason is probably because he is the innovator of so many different tricks and illusions. Instead of doing something old, he is the one to do it first and make the reputation for the trick. If he got on stage now and did a Zig-Zag woman, I don't think many people would think he had any special powers.....but send someone to Hawaii and we've got the devil.


Well I guess that puts me in good company. I've been accused of being "old slewfoot" a time or two.

But That was just by church people. Other folks have been kinder to me.

If they think Copperfield is the devil, then I shudder to think what they think about Max Maven!

Anyway, when I was around those people, I had a pastor say to me " Copperfield is an EXPERT liar!" (well, DUH!!)
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This brings up another interesting topic that I thought about posting on here before asking magicians some of the names they have been called. I, personally, have never been given the status of devil...(that must be reserved for Copperfield), but to date I have been called all of the following at least once; liar, cheat, evil, a fake, and my personal favorite, "Con-Artist".

Granted alot of the people who called me these names were the people heavy into church and all that, but some of them werent. The thing that really gets me, is the magic that I perform is mostly comedy magic and doves...which I think anyways is just pretty magic. I have never yet had anyone be really impolite or run screaming or anything, but there are definatly alot of people who hate magic and magicians or are scared of them. I think I can break them down into categories actually.

There is always the one who hates magic because they cant understand it - Im sure we all know at least one of these people...they sit around and make up the most absurd explanations for tricks and illusions because it makes them feel stupid or something because they have witnessed something they cant explain.

Then there is the person who thinks magic is the work of the devil - Once again I think alot of these people feel this way because they have seen something they cant understand...(these are the same people who burn Harry Potter books) Alot of the time you will hear them say things like "I don't beleive in magic", or "magic isn't real"...which I usually follow up with asking them what their definition of "real" is.

And finally there is the person who think all magicians are clowns - Some of you might never have experinced this one, but I get it alot...They think that only clowns do magic...not that there is anything wrong with clowning, just that there is a definate difference.

Im really interested in hearing other people tell some of the stories and encounters they have had with people...I don't know maybe I am the only one...
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Dovemagic,

I too have theorised somewhat about this subject. I think you've more or less nailed it on the head with ur three categories. But I think that they can be refiend even more. Here's my breakdown

1) Realist: These people hate magic simply because they do not understand and because magic is something that completely defies what they have been taught to believe. These people do not take in the jo and wonder that is around us and they are very 'conditioned' by society.

2) Satanist: These people fear magic because they believe IN IT. Whether they think magic is good or evil doesn't matter. The fact is that they're scared of it because they believe that it can be used to harm people.

3) Childists (?): These people believe magic is for children. They therefore look down upon anyone who does magic as simply a stupid kids entertainer. Not necessarily clowns.. but they do not take it seriously.

4) Liars: These people think magicians are all liars and should be treated as such. These are the worst hecklers. Horrbile. They often feel the need to try to screw a magician up just for the hell of it and to prove to others that they are better than the magician.

I too have been called many names due to my magic. Especially because I do a lot of magic that is not necessarily 'preety magic' (more like... shock magic) and because of the fact that I present my magic as being completely real. No tricks no nothing. Just real. I don't come out and say it but my attitude and character when I do magic convey this very effectively.

I have been called a demon, a devil worshipper, a con-artist, a charlatan, a liar, a guru, a highly meditative man, an angel, a paradox... (I'm most proud of that last one. I don't understand it myself....)

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The last two posts are two of the most insightful and enlightening that I have yet heard on this Café'.
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Thanks you very much for the compliment daffydoug. I like MindFreaks categories alot too. Through the several years that I have been performing magic, I have always wanted to be somewhere where I could let that off of my chest to other magicians...thanks for the opportunity Smile
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You're welcome. I'm a smarter magician after reading it!
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Thanks as well.....

If you're truly a smarter magician after reading that, then I guess dovemagic and I have done our theorizing properley. So if it helps, then I'm glad I wrote it.

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Well, if not smarter, then surely WISER and more well informed!
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On 2004-04-25 18:18, daffydoug wrote:

I am familiar with the title voyeur for one of his effects, but I don't recall what the illusion is. Could you refresh my memory on this one, and tell a little about the nature of the screw -up?


On the road, he eventually scaled this down to the vanish of one girl instead of two. But the part where it went wrong was the vanish. She just stood there forever, waiting for <insert method here> and it didn't happen, so she moved to the wings, threw up the cloth and jumped offstage! I'm serious! The second time this happened that I saw, she eventually was able to vanish like normal, but had to wait a LONG time.

As far as the scorpion trick, I'm convinced that dropping the cards is somehow part of the bit. I say this because it happened when I saw the bit, both in Las Vegas and in Columbus.

But think about it, when he dropped the cards, didn't it make you a bit nervous and anxious? And isn't that exactly how David wants you to feel during the trick?
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Everyone there kept screaming, "Watch the scorpion!" when he dropped the cards. That still doesn't explain why he has dropped the cards as many as 3 times, and why he never seems to drop them at the same time each show. I would expect that with someone as well timed as DC there would be some consistency to when he does something that big. And having personal experience with it, I saw the look, you know the one, the look that says, "Oh poo!" But hey I have been wrong in the past.

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