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MF Tom New user 80 Posts |
Its fairly common all over the world that mentalists and magicians are asked if they can predict a lottery. Lottery Prediction can be with you anywhere anytime. What do you think guys?
Chance is a concept whereby it is impossible to predict anything with absolute certainly. Well, thanks to this new creation created in collaboration by Jean-Pierre VALLARINO and Olivier DEQUIN, you will become the master of the game. Or should I say "games!" You'll be able to predict the results of Lotto, for example, but also Quinté, Tiercé, or bet on a poker hand that you will win... The only limit will be your imagination. This ingenious gimmick does the work for you! The effect: You show your wallet. Nothing special to see except for a Lotto ticket (for example) slipped inside and visible to all. Now take a series of cards numbered 1-49 (REALLY! All numbers are represented and there are no duplicates). You hand them to a spectator to freely mix: no constraints. They really mix the cards in any way and place them face down on the table. YOU DON'T TOUCH THE GAME! Just take the Lotto Grid (for example) out of your wallet and give it to the spectator. Ask them to take the first 6 cards from the pack that they mixed and are holding THEMSELVES. Ask them to now read the 6 numbers checked on the Lotto grid and to say the numbers found on the 6 cards they have just put on the table -- the numbers MATCH EXACTLY! The game and the wallet do not leave the table There is no switch The miracle happens IN THE SPECTATOR'S OWN HANDS They mix the cards of the game themselves and remove the 6 cards The gimmick does the work for you You will be able to perform this trick soon after you receive it You can choose to adapt this trick to any other game of chance Perform sitting or standing The reset is easy and fast The numbers you predict can be different each time You receive all the materials: cards, wallet, and video download Seeing all of the numbers match is an amazing moment for your audience! Full performance: https://www.mystiquefactory.com/products......allarino Best, Tom |
RNK Inner circle 7528 Posts |
Maybe I am thinking like a magician but I am not impressed with this. It is obvious as to what is going on. It would definitely be more impressive (but a lot less clean) if the spectator could remove any 6 of the number cards and not be restricted to only taking the top 6 cards. If that was the case then I guess you could say, why would you even need number cards, just have a spectator call out 6 numbers. So maybe due to the shuffling, that's the justification to taking the top 6 cards, since the spectators would think that the top 6 cards would have to be random unknown numbers since they shuffled them.
I don't know, maybe it's the handling of the wallet going over the shuffled deck that needs to be done for this to work. Doesn't look natural to me. But that's just me. RNK
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
I think Peter Nardi [or through his shop] released something like this [but for ESP cards]
I noticed that he thinks like a magician - as after the work - he [for some reason] shows the back of the wallet... hmm - not sure that serves a purpose And yeah with it being the top cards [it has to be] it seems a little off His performance isn't very strong - suggesting he hasn't worked it much [yeah I guess if he has he has done it in his own language] But the reveal was rather sloppy... I'm def not a fan of this as the wallet does too much work I believe the Peter Nardi one is better - because the 'wallet' in that... maybe it's a sticker set [you need to stick on for the spec to put their ESP predictions on] - feels less in play [for no reason] and it's taken out of play earlier I do like lottery effects but not this one |
gtx magic Special user United Kingdom England 957 Posts |
[quote]On Mar 21, 2018, The Duster wrote:
I think Peter Nardi [or through his shop] released something like this [but for ESP cards] I noticed that he thinks like a magician - as after the work - he [for some reason] shows the back of the wallet... hmm - not sure that serves a purpose And yeah with it being the top cards [it has to be] it seems a little off His performance isn't very strong - suggesting he hasn't worked it much [yeah I guess if he has he has done it in his own language] That’s correct Duster. Alakazam Magic - Zenner Tech by Mark Elsdon, the same method. Graham
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4191 Posts |
Also didn’t MagicWorld put out an effect almost identical in description to this, possibly by Mark Elsdon a few years ago.
Mark |
Mr. Dural Loyal user 273 Posts |
This could be streamlined and done without the wallet as you already have a large ticket in your hand. Not a magician fooler, not a trick for video (at least with that framing)
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4191 Posts |
Just watched the video and this is effectively Mark Elsdon’s Guaranteed Jackpot with a less deceptive selection of the 6 cards. I’d stick with the original.
Mark |
PatrickGregoire Inner circle 2247 Posts |
You are all thinking like magicians. This is based on the classic envelope with prediction card in it that matches the top card of a shuffled deck (which is a very deceptive effect and method to laymen).
Why would you say that it's a weird way to select 6 cards? This is essentially what happens in the lotto; a machine has a bank of numbers, randomizes them and spits out a sequence of 6 numbers. The spectator mixed up the cards and takes the top six cards in the order that they were generated (shuffled). The method used here would never even cross their mind, I think this is killer. I do agree though, no need for a gimmicked wallet but it does make the handling cleaner and easier to do. Quite expensive, unfortunately. |
Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4191 Posts |
If by thinking like magicians you mean recognising this as almost an exact copy of an already released item by another creator then yes guilty as charged. If more magicians thought like that we’d have more original creators being supported.
Mark |
PatrickGregoire Inner circle 2247 Posts |
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On Mar 21, 2018, Mark_Chandaue wrote: "Thinking like magicians" as in thinking that the method involved is obvious and odd to laymen... |
The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
I'm not a magician
I tend to [usually] think more of specs/laymen than most people on here do They always say - laymen will never spot x, or work out y The presumption is that all laymen are stupid In regards to this thread I'm pretty sure myself and Mark never said anything about the method being obvious to laymen... I only perform in parlour and stage shows - so for me... this wouldn't work - as there are too many eyes to divert But I can't stress how lazy the demo was - I really don't think JPV has worked this He didn't even bother to buy a lottery ticket - he saved a £1 and filled in the slip... well I don't do the lottery - maybe the tickets look like the forms now [?] My favourite lottery effect is in a book called Harpacrown... I just need to find the time to work on a presentation - as I hate, hate, hate, doing a toxic performance... I'm sure I'm thinking like a magician there... and it flies past laymen... I just am bored as every Lecture/Book/DVD by every mentalist has it in... so I have a few other plans... but compared to this Harpacrown's [for stage/parlour] is so far ahead |
Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4191 Posts |
Also when it comes to thinking like a magician in an ideal world a magician should be thinking about how can I make the f**ce seem as fair and as deceptive as possible. Is there another layer I can add after the dirty work to get more distance between the dirty work. Mark Elsdon does just that in his routine and adds the extra steps between the “dirty work” and the selection.
The same is true of the effect Duster refers to and whilst there are a lot of toxic effects these days it’s the freedom of choice post dirty work that cancels out the toxic part. I did look into other options but that was the best way to go especially if you add the extra subtlety from DID2 and my lecture. When it comes to this effect Mark’s selection process adds those extra layers which is another reason to go for the original. Mark |
Al Desmond Inner circle Secret Mountain Lair in Conifer, Co 1511 Posts |
This method goes all the way back to Richard Himber's "Thought Control." Just a rehash of that effect. With Himber, he simply predicted three cards selected by the spectator. Quick, clean and all can be examined at the end. Tannen's sold it in the late 60s.
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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4191 Posts |
The method goes back even farther than that. However using a wallet and number cards and a lottery ticket to do a lottery prediction using this method is original to Mark Elsdon although Lee Earle also has a similar effect without the wallet. Prior to that Scott Creasey released Psi Lotto which used number cards for a lottery ticket with a different method.
Mark |
Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18030 Posts |
I have this.. There are several drawbacks that I had to work around. Firstly you are given 49 cards but Mega Millions goes to 70 I think and Powerball to 69. Also I like to use an actual video used on national TV in the reveal .. This becomes difficult since there can be no number 1 in the sequence except at the very end. Also anything above 49 is out ...and often the Powerball number is the same as a number already selected. I eventually found a few Powerball video's that fit the bill but it took a couple of hours of searching. I tried it out on my son and he liked the video reveal to match his selection/mixing process....The method is one of the first I learned at a magic convention about 20 years back when I first started but I actually like the presentation. I like to talk with my hands and this is perfect for that style of presentation. I'm not sure if this was ever released before .. I saw no credits. I got it used for half price.. So I'm not complaining.
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magicant Regular user Manchester UK 116 Posts |
I am very disappointed to say this is IDENTICAL in so many ways to Guaranteed Jackpot by Mark Elsdon and MagicWorld... Please see: https://murphysmagic.com/product.aspx?id=61396
I have written an official email to MurphysMagic and will be shortly writing to Mystique Factory to pull this release asap. Ours comes with a specially printed Marked Number Deck which then was released as the Cipher Deck. A lot of work went into our releases and to be ripped off is certainly not a nice feeling... I hope we can come up with a swift solution. Please search Guaranteed Jackpot by Mark Elsdon and you will see this on every single large magic website. All the best Anthony www.magicworld.co.uk
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Christian de Punto Regular user Germany 174 Posts |
A pity to see one so skilled card expert to do such a bad move...
beside that again a kind of trick I do not like because of missing logic and motivation. if you could predict lotto-numbers or make 100 $ bills from 1 $ bills, would you be sitting here and perform? ;-) |
John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12968 Posts |
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On Nov 17, 2019, Christian de Punto wrote: To pay the tax. |
magicant Regular user Manchester UK 116 Posts |
Please see an unedited version of our effect at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WnAEay6gYY - And forgive the PJ's!
Our trick and your trick both: 1. Introduce a number deck that is shuffled by the spectator 2. A wallet with a lottery ticket inside used to add cards 3. the cards the spectator shuffled match the lottery ticket. The only difference is that we have taken it a step further by : 1. inventing a wallet to hold the cards that uses magnets through 2 sections to drop the cards secretly and hide efficiently. 2. We actually printed and manufactured a highly professional number deck and even added a marking system to the back. 3. We added another extra layer by getting the spectator to deal the cards and say stop, and then deal these remaining cards into 6 piles. So in effect our effect has been modernised and methods added to improve rather than the new effect which offers nothing new in terms of presentation or improvements on ours. I am all up for new effects being released with good improvements but without this it's just a copy which has obviously damaged sales over time and diminishes our product. Our trick was released 3 years ago, is cheaper and your effect released in 2018. Would love to know everybody's thoughts on this please... What is the correct thing to do? Kindest Regards Anthony www.magicworld.co.uk
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