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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
Yes I plan on buying one from frank very soon. I got a clear wand form him that was pretty nifty
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chris mcbrien Inner circle Chicago 1235 Posts |
Rob,
Frank's products/props are of the highest quality, and as far as I'm concerned, the best. I don't think he asks enough for many of his products. He puts everthing into making sure these are produced with the "workers" in mind. And, he cares and has his heart in the right place...and he treats his clients with respect and never attacks them or criticizes them even if he knows something they don't. He'll take his time and SHARE with you and be respectful....what more could you ask for in a magic producer/dealer? |
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
I was chatting with a guy here on the Café, and he said he didn;t get good reactions with trick. so I'm wordering you guys that do C&C how do your audience like the routine? I'm just begining to learn but it seems pretty powwerful to me, is that just cause I'm a magician. the person I was talking to I assure you has much technial and performance skill so it wouldn;t been that. just wanty to hear other peoples thoughts
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
For me it's a very powerful routine IF it feels powerful to you. I was very taken by the routine and took the performance of it very seriously. I got unsolicited and spontaneous ovations from kids while testing out the routine when I first was willing to try it. I was shocked and thrilled. The regular performances were received well and I got a lot of positive feedback about that routine in particular. So it definitely stood out in a positive way for me.
It was a success for me, a high point in my learning about magic, and it exhausted me. Everything has to look just right to pull it off and it takes a lot of energy to get there and perform it. And if you let it go for a brief while, it will leave you and you will have significant work to do to put it back into production. I think it's the best trick in the world. Learn why Ramsay does what he does. And gather the other routines you can find. I prefer vanishing 4 real silver dollars. In my correspondence with Tim Conover, he seemed to feel strongly that this was the REAL way to go and wished more people would forgo the gaffes and get back to work with 4 beefy coins. You'll have to ask him directly to confirm. I am not quoting him here. The feeling (for me) is that if you can convincingly vanish 4 silver dollars in your bare hands, you've come a very long way. Not to mention the powerful lessons in misdirection needed to pull it all off. John Carney's book (Carneycopia) describes learning the trick as the single greatest lesson you can learn in magic. I took that to heart and in the end I agree. I learned more from studying that trick than anything else I've studied in magic. Period.
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
Thanks frank, I think it will be well worth my time to learn
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Eric Jones V.I.P. Director of Product Development 2101 Posts |
Just a question....how do you guys who perform the trick justify the props in performance....especially the sliver of cork?
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
Eric, I'm still a bit confused why the cork has to be justified. I mean really you could use a skittle if you wanted, I think minimizing the imporantence would be key, don;t you think? I'm anxious to hear would the guys that have performace time on this say
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Eric Johnson Regular user 102 Posts |
I agree with Joshua.I have always found that justifying my props has detracted from my performance.I have learned to as Joshaua said "minimize the importance" of a prop.The okito box is notorius amongst us coin workers for endless discussions of how to aproach it.I think that in the mind of your audience most have already a notion that you work with funny props and things that most people wouldnt have seen or heard of.Just my two cents, Hope it adds to the topic.
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Eric Jones V.I.P. Director of Product Development 2101 Posts |
I kinda think all your props should be justified. Why else are you using them? Just because the instructions say so? It's my understanding of the effect that the items to follow are the COINS, which vanish and appear by the power of the MAGIC WAND. To prove that the coins are vanishing and appearing, you use the CORK as a marker to provide conviction that the coins actually are doing what you claim. The CYLINDER keeps you from actually seeing the magic take place.
IMHO, if you are able to find a way to do the trick by removing the cylinder and the cork from the equation, you have a miracle rather than just a trick. But, both of the aforementioned props are important to the contruction of the trick and help aid in the "mystery" of the illusion. I was just hoping that one of my magical elders might be able to shed some light on why other than for what I've already mentioned do we use the cylinder and cork in this trick?
“We're two tigers away from an act in Vegas.” Greg House M.D.
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
Yes but you don;t need to tell them that. let them realize that the coins are appearing underneth the 'marker' and not being droped in somehow or whatnot. if your gonna tell them anything just say its like a bookmark, and don;t empishize that its imporant that its cork. just say then I got "this little marker made form cork or somthing" in a non chaliant way. maybe we are in just differen schools of thought, but for example when I do wooden cigars I don't justify having them, but make light on the fact that they are wood. there is value in mystery
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Eric Jones V.I.P. Director of Product Development 2101 Posts |
I agree with the last sentence. Indeed, there IS value in mystery. But I also agree with the "different schools of thought" comment. I'm not saying that we should be as critical of every detail as the astute Mr. Townsend, who's transended discussion about technique to concentrate his energies on debate(that I believe misinterpreted as cryptic sarcasm) on how to make sense of our profession/hobby. If we don't care about our props, or the magic we're performing, why should our audiences?
The least we can do is justify, even briefly the value of the items we're using. While it's true that we can be nonchalant about how we go about it, we should give them something. As a corollary, it should be assumed that the excuse be plausible. So again, I'm simply asking WHAT explanation are others giving for the cylinder and cork. PS...Josh you may be correct about not needing to give our audiences too much info. I was simply stating for OUR purposes what I understood the purpose for each prop might be.
“We're two tigers away from an act in Vegas.” Greg House M.D.
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
Gotcha
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Jaz Inner circle NJ, U.S. 6111 Posts |
Anyone using the Tabmans "Casino Chips, Dice and Cylinder"?
This uses poker chips, a fake thousand dollar bill as a cylinder and dice. I like Curtis Kams thoughts using a Boston Box, small Chinese coin. |
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Eric Johnson Regular user 102 Posts |
I use the Tabman set...nice workmanship and audiance seems to like the poker chips.
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Rob Mencarini New user 56 Posts |
I think Tabman was the first to popularize the gaffs using a poker theme. And that gave it a refreshing makeover. I thought it was a great idea with the rising popularity of poker.
Soon after, I saw Pete Biro and Joe Porper selling the poker chip props. I think they even used the same chips that Tabman did. Don England has some nice poker chip props up on his website too, and he has some nice original stuff. He uses a screw-together mini craps stick as the wand, and dice, cowboy boot material cylinder, along with the chip stack...so the whole theme is gambling. He has some touches on the stack that I haven't seen anywhere else, good thinking on his part. I have thougt several times that I would pick up one of these sets, I have some ideas for routining. Using poker chips is quieter than using soft coins. I practiced the vanishes with chips. You don't have to work as hard, so it definitely seems less manly. For myself, there is nothing more satisfying than handling silver dollars, but I do plan to get these props and put them to good use one day. Should be a lot of fun, and I know exaclty some of the victims I would like to try it out on. I think gamblers would like this sort of routine. It could fit a country/western theme too, you could be a hit at the square-dancers annual gala. |
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Mobius303 Inner circle Lakewood, Ohio 1309 Posts |
Nobody mentioned Roger Klause's Handling that is for all apearences Impromptu.
I agree that the trick itself is definatly one of the best lessons in magic. David Roth executes the trick very well to perfectly like all his magic but his presentation of it left me cold. Roger then was about to tape a video with his routine so he showed several of us at the last DMS ...it looked so impromtu that it blew me away. Mobius |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
First, let's separate "presentation" from method in our discussion of this item.
Second, if you look at Vernon's version of the trick in the 1964 issue of Gen, later in "The Art of Closeup Magic" you will find he used a rolled up dollar bill and four poker chips. As to what folks have done... Besides Roth who changed the basic handling, most seem to be following Farelli's advice when the trick was first published and forgoing the very personal vanish sequence John Ramsay used and putting something that suits them better in its place. As I have not seen many folks even do a basic pivot vanish in the way Ramsay was said to (by his student Galloway) I have little confidence that others will find the sequence as written a comfortable fit.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
Is there any real reason to do the pivot vanishes, they seem pretty interchnagable with "insert fav vanish"
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
I could care less what the particular put or take sleight is... I was making a comment about HOW that sleight is used and performed in context.
Take a good look at how Galloway does the material. Not how he comes across as he performs it but WHAT he does and HOW it works. Then let's talk.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Joshua Barrett Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 3631 Posts |
Well I would take a look but I don;t have the text. but my question still stand it is somthing iv wondered before your post. it merely motivated me to ask
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