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AlexanderG Veteran user No more and no less than 367 Posts |
By cards, I mean the standard "French" deck of 52 playing cards that we use today. It must be common among cartomancers to claim that each day of the year comes paired with a particular card. Does anyone know if there is a common technical term for such a card? Also, does anyone know which is the earliest text (or among the earliest texts) to make this claim and pronounce upon each day's special card? Thanks!
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bevbevvybev Inner circle UK 2672 Posts |
52 doesn't go into 365. Not to be pedantic, but do you mean weeks of the year?
Two colors representing night and day Four suits representing the four seasons Twelve court cards representing the 12 months Thirteen values representing the 13 lunar cycles in a year 52 cards representing 52 weeks in a year |
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AlexanderG Veteran user No more and no less than 367 Posts |
Hi. No, I meant what I said: that is, each day of the year is paired with a particular card. Yes, some days will be paired with the same card.
For instance, here there is a reference to each day's "birth card": https://cafeastrology.com/playingcardsbirthdaychart.html This must go a long way back. I'm interested in the terms people have used (here, "birth card") and most especially in the oldest book(s) that have presented this idea. Thanks. |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
I am not expert and this is an area of mentalism that I have recently started to research myself.
"Birth Card" is the general accepted term. "The Mystic Test Book" by Olney Richmond 1893 that focused on Cartomancy in English. Go here: https://archive.org/details/mystictestbook00rich Although there is a history of Cartomancy that is as old as cards of course. |
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
Found a better version of Mystic Test(full book), here:
https://ia800200.us.archive.org/25/items......rich.pdf |
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Last Laugh Inner circle Grass Valley, California 3498 Posts |
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On Apr 24, 2018, bevbevvybev wrote: All of the card values added up equal 364, and then add the joker for 365. And there's even an extra joker for leap years.
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AlexanderG Veteran user No more and no less than 367 Posts |
Dear Jerry,
Thanks so much - that's a very good find. Regards, Alexander |
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Caveman Regular user 118 Posts |
The chart that you linked (https://cafeastrology.com/playingcardsbirthdaychart.html), is the same one that appears in a book I have called "Your Place In the Cards," by Donalie Fitzgerald, who in turn credits an Edith Randall for the information contained therein. I beleive the book was first published in the the 1970's, however, Donalie states that the charts and reading system in the book, were written well before that, even going as far as to say that they were "developed over 200 years ago by monastery monks." She gives no further evidence to back that claim up, and I don't know what we're supposed to think a monastery monk is...Christian? Buddhist? your guess is as good as mine. Anyways, I originally came across this book after trying to research a cartomancy reading system for playing cards, called the Magi system. There are multiple books that seem to be based off of the Magi card reading system, however, they seem to originate with the book that Jerry cited, "The Mystic Test Book," by Olney Richmond, in 1893. As far as I know, that is the first place that the "birth card" chart appeared in a published book, I could definitely be wrong, but the Magi card readers seem to credit Olney with writing the book that broke it all down for them. I haven't read the book, plan to, but heard that it was a pretty disorganzied read, and was recommended Donalie's book. "Your Place In the Cards," doesn't go into great detail about their reading system, it contains charts which are fascinating, and allow one to look up their "birth card," and then the rest of the book contains pre written readings for each card...they're pretty good readings, I've enjoyed looking up peoples' cards and going over their readings. However, the basis for the chart and the system from which the readings were created is really vague.
If you start googling "Magi card reading system," several sites come up. One of them https://magicardsofdestiny.com/the-magic-cards-of-destiny/ is run by a woman named Raina, who has a write up on her website concerning the origin of the Magi card system: "The Magi Cards of Destiny comes to us from ancient Egypt, from the Magi Priests of 2000 years ago and even as far back as Atlantis. What looks like an ordinary deck of playing cards is actually a Book of Sacred Symbols used for divination. The ancient Oracle is a combination of Astrology and Numerology and is a structure of timekeeping that aligns perfectly with our calendar. Profound information about you is found by your birth date. The Magi Card Science made its resurgence in the late 1800’s when Olney Richmond authored the “Mystic Test Book”. In 1947 the Mystic Science of the Cards was carried on as Edith Randal and Florence Campbell wrote the “Sacred Symbols of the Ancients”. Arne Lein taught the Science of the Cards in the 1970’s and is the author of “What’s Your Card?” Robert Lee Camp, teacher, and author has currently written several books such as the “Love Cards” and the “Cards of your Destiny” that bring forward the timeless knowledge of the Cards and the transformational wisdom that is of the utmost importance today." I have no idea how they came up with the stuff about Magi priests from 2000 years ago, and better yet the Atlantis name drop, but I do enjoy studying the creation of myths, and this one's great. Perhaps it started with Olney, who decided to give his followers a myth to strengthen the book. I've read the introduction to the Mystic Test Book, and Olney kind of cryptically refers to his work at the "temple" and how busy they are; I have to wonder what was going on in the temple. The best information I've found on Olney is located here: https://cardology.org/about/olney-h-richmond/ this site contains some of the most fascinating information about Onlney and the origins of the system, but it's so grandiose that it traces it back 20,000 years; definitely a fascinating read though. If anyone here has any more information I would be very interested; I've yet to meet anybody that knew any more about the Magi card system or its origins. |
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BillyAcre Regular user 135 Posts |
I thought French decks had 32 cards.
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
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On Apr 25, 2018, BillyAcre wrote: A piquet deck does.
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
One of the most famous cartomancers is Marie Ann Lenormand, go here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Anne_Lenormand.
She used a 32 card system of German origin. Oldest reference or mention for card divination go here: http://trionfi.com/0/p/41/ |
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Caveman Regular user 118 Posts |
It's my understanding the 32 card Lenormand was made several years after her death. Prior to the 32 card deck was a 54 card deck called the Grand Lenormand, created by a woman claiming to be a student of Lenormand. the 32 card "Petite Lenormand" was made in Germany even later.
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Caveman Regular user 118 Posts |
I've read that Lenormand used a home made deck, I would assume she used a regular deck, as the first deck attributed to her name was 54 cards. The 32 card Lenormand deck was probably developed because of the popularity of Piquet and people's growing familiarity with decks that size, just a theory though.
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Caveman Regular user 118 Posts |
Jerry that site you linked is fascinating, thanks for that!
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Jerry Inner circle Some where in Florida 1402 Posts |
Caveman, you are correct, it is not certain what method Ms. Lenormand used. Which I find odd since she wrote a lot of books on the subject.
I was just stating the common belief that general knowledge is about Ms. Lenormand. I claim NOT to be an expert, so I have no problem being corrected. Actually I will thank you. Here is an other resource: http://www.wopc.co.uk/tarot-fortune This now become a new obsession with me that started the last couple of months. So it will take awhile for me to get up to speed. My next post I list some of my tools to help learn cartomancy that I hope will be of interest. Cavemen, you are welcome. Thank you for your input, it has been most useful. |
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
I reprinted a method in OORT for using the piquet deck that was originally written by A.E. Waite.
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That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
I'm surprised no one has mentioned The Game of Hope...
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Caveman Regular user 118 Posts |
Didn't mean to come off as corrective Jerry, just recalling what I'd read, I'm certainly no expert either; I do share your obsession though, and look forward to hearing more of your thoughts on cartomancy.
As for The Game of Hope, it's a card game that uses Lenormand cards, no? but my understanding was that it wasn't related to divination. Kind of the same way Tarot cards have been used for games, separately from their use as an oracle. Philemon, I've always wanted to pick up a copy of the OORT...one of these days. If anyone has any more information about the origin of the "birth card," please do share! I'd be very interested to learn more about this. If it started with the Order of the Magi, does anyone know how they came up with the card to birth date correlations? |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
"Cards of all descriptions were used by fortune tellers throughout Europe for centuries. When the most famous of these fortune tellers, Mlle Le Normand, died in 1843 decks containing 36 cards with images, numbers and playing card inserts were published and attributed to her creation. The symbols used were the same as the ones appearing on the cards in the Game of Hope.
Once the British Museum's Game of Hope cards were seen by modern Lenormand aficionados they noted that the cards not only contain the same images but are in the exact sequence as latter day copies of Lenormand cards. Therefore, these very Game of Hope cards are the actual originals of the cards we now know as the Lenormand Petit Jeu." http://gameofhopelenormand.bigcartel.com......-edition
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Here are a couple of ideas I have tried in the past. If you do Tarot then transfer the meanings over to playing cards. you now have an impromptu way of doing intuitive readings. Anywhere any time. Two methods. Ask someone to name three different playing cards. Do a three card spread simple reading. you can do this anywhere anytime with no cards. The other way is for you to randomly select the cards in your mind for each person and give a reading based on them. You don't even have to mention cards. Another thing I used to play with was cold reading hands. But instead of doing a formal palm reading I would discretely look at someones hands. Even before I talk to them. They just add another tool and way of developing impromptu reading skills that appear as if you are using no props or system. Develop ways to randomly select them in your mind.
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