The Magic Café
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » The workers » » Sankey's UNDENIABLE (17 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

 Go to page 1~2~3~4 [Next]
ejohn
View Profile
Special user
Atlanta
589 Posts

Profile of ejohn
There isn't a full performance, but the trailer looks good: https://sankey-magic.myshopify.com/products/undeniable Has anyone tried it? Would like to see a review.
Magicsquared
View Profile
Inner circle
1225 Posts

Profile of Magicsquared
This seems to be his trick "Just Imagine" but with a new name.
The Duster
View Profile
Inner circle
1555 Posts

Profile of The Duster
I just watched the 'Just Imagine' trailer and that seemed [if I saw it right] to have two DL and a DB

Undeniable trailer didn't suggest there was any DL or DB - it seems to say you take out the only card and everyone goes crazy as it has the correct shape and colour on it

I'm not asking for real magic - but unless there is some new method the Undeniable trailer is undeniably sneaky

It has a skill level of 1... I guess that's the lowest skill level... wouldn't that be for a self working effect [?]

It's not's just that there is work to do - if it's still two DL... but dropping the card onto the pack, etc - it isn't very logical... and he says on the trailer you take the card out... so that would either be lying... or there is a new method... or he's showing it from the specs view point [hmm, when selling it - which is naughty]

As he says you can give the envelope away, I guess this is not a new [compared to Just Imagine]method

Though of course the tricks are completely different... as Just Imagine uses the 2d and Undeniable the 2h

AND yes all the patter and everything is exactly the same as the previous release
Tomangerry
View Profile
New user
66 Posts

Profile of Tomangerry
He is showing it from a spectators point of view . Tom
The Duster
View Profile
Inner circle
1555 Posts

Profile of The Duster
Quote:
On Apr 26, 2018, Tomangerry wrote:
He is showing it from a spectators point of view . Tom


No - he is not 'showing' it

He's "saying it"... then you get the card out of the envelope they had all along - and they see it's the only card, etc

It's an awful way to sell to magicians

Very devious
Paul Rathbun
View Profile
Inner circle
Michigan
2351 Posts

Profile of Paul Rathbun
Looks exactly like Just Imagine.
mystery7
View Profile
New user
8 Posts

Profile of mystery7
Just went on youtube to watch Just Imagine. If the trailer is complete for UNDENIABLE it is very different. I can't wee where the switch happens if it is done exactly as in the video. There has to be a switch as this is not mind control. If the video is edited and something is done that we do not see this is a big scam.
TuneHV
View Profile
Inner circle
New York
1676 Posts

Profile of TuneHV
You would think Jay would have addressed in the ad copy if this is just a re-release of Just Imagine, or more importantly, if this is an updated version he should mention that to avoid confusion.
David Jonathan

Cutting Edge | Wrong Turn | Fortuity | Arbitrium | Sovereign Sandwich | RudiMental

More Info: www.davidjonathanmagic.com
mystery7
View Profile
New user
8 Posts

Profile of mystery7
If it is a re-release the deck would come back into play again.WE should see exactly what we do as a perfomer and the cards never come back into play in the trailer.In the trailer He removes the card right from the envelope and just shows it as having the correct shape and color, that is just NOT POSSIBLE without the switch and he never shows the deck again. JUST WRONG JAY
daffydoug
View Profile
Eternal Order
Look mom! I've got
13604 Posts

Profile of daffydoug
I was wondering about this from the first time I read the description of the effect. I KNEW sounded awfully familiar!!
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
The Duster
View Profile
Inner circle
1555 Posts

Profile of The Duster
I guess I am in the minority here,

But to me it feels dishonest to sell a trick like this

Also to give it a skill level of 1

That’s his lowest rating – that must be ‘self-working’, or very simple non-sleight sleights... as soon as you get into the realms of multiple DLs that has to not rank the same as his self workers [?] - I said it's probably just me... as I have no card skills...

I guess I’m a chump – but if I saw that advert and didn’t see the original one [Just Imagine] where it looks like 2 DL, a DB, and having to take the card out of the envelope in a very ‘unusual’ way… and I just went on what Jay Sankey said in the advert for this release… with the skill level needed being the lowest… I would feel super cheated if I bought this and saw what I actually had to do…

Then again he has this trick listed too:

Quote:

FOOLER
The ground-breaking torn and restored routine that completely FOOLED Penn & Teller



Err what????

I know you all love the Sankey - but that is just weasel-ly

Also not mentioning Just Imagine – [either this being an upgraded version or a re-release] all adds up to Jay and his methods being super sketchy

I don’t believe it’s upgraded in anyway

I just think he’s put out an awful ad copy video – to garner extra sales… and have the trick in more magicians bottom draws... though maybe he will lose some repeat business [?]

Now I wonder…

Surely….

He must use the deck of cards that he released…

The ones he was always going to use, that he specially got designed… [Tattoos deck] that looked awful and were in actual fact very cheap and poor quality…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdIJfd-G5uU

“awful”, “unfit for even card games”, “basically dollar store cards”

Even on here they didn't get any love

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=218

I think at some point you can no longer say, 'he used to release good stuff' - as an excuse for the way he sells stuff now

Anyone can put out rubbish

But it's about how they put it out... if it's an honest as copy - that's ok... when it's all slime and subterfuge, then surely it deserves more attention and less respect
mikenewman
View Profile
Special user
Maryland! Back home and Thrilled!
967 Posts

Profile of mikenewman
He says that you (Magician) take the exact envelope they were holding. And take out the card.

You can give the card and envelope to them as a souvenir.

Not a DB. You couldn’t hand it out.

I was thinking Just Imagine too.

I ordered it.
If nothing else, I will work on it with my 9 year old daughter.
The one you see me holding in my pic! Yep, she’s freaking 9!
The Duster
View Profile
Inner circle
1555 Posts

Profile of The Duster
Either that picture is old....

Or she has been using a lot of those rejuvenating creams that apparently actually work
The Duster
View Profile
Inner circle
1555 Posts

Profile of The Duster
I only guessed from m just imagine

I guessed DB was in the envelope

After the DLs you now hand out a card that was not in the envelope for the spec to keep

You are right if sankey is honest in his advert videos - that's can't be the method

So I'm a chump

I'm not a card guy so if it is skill level 1 and no DL type shenanigans- then I'm interested

But.... Sankey could be a weasel

Do please review it if you can

All the best
mikenewman
View Profile
Special user
Maryland! Back home and Thrilled!
967 Posts

Profile of mikenewman
Quote:
On Apr 27, 2018, The Duster wrote:
Either that picture is old....

Or she has been using a lot of those rejuvenating creams that apparently actually work


Lol
Yeah. My wording was off.
It’s definitely an old pic! Smile

I ordered it.

Won’t get here until late next week.
Woodfield
View Profile
Special user
720 Posts

Profile of Woodfield
I use Just Imagine a lot. Although I don't use the db and envelope, I take the prediction out of a Mullica wallet I place on the table at the start.

Woodfield
Paul Rathbun
View Profile
Inner circle
Michigan
2351 Posts

Profile of Paul Rathbun
Just Imagine isn't a bad effect for laymen. I just wish he had made it clear that all this is is a re-release of Just Imagine. The video doesn't show a performance, just a description of what he imagines the spectator perceiving.
The Duster
View Profile
Inner circle
1555 Posts

Profile of The Duster
Quote:
On Apr 27, 2018, Paul Rathbun wrote:
Just Imagine isn't a bad effect for laymen. I just wish he had made it clear that all this is is a re-release of Just Imagine. The video doesn't show a performance, just a description of what he imagines the spectator perceiving.


so he's a weasel [?]
TuneHV
View Profile
Inner circle
New York
1676 Posts

Profile of TuneHV
He posted this on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiEk_CbFg0E/

If he is highlighting this aspect of the effect... then maybe it is a new handling of Just Imagine... would be nice to know for sure.
David Jonathan

Cutting Edge | Wrong Turn | Fortuity | Arbitrium | Sovereign Sandwich | RudiMental

More Info: www.davidjonathanmagic.com
The Duster
View Profile
Inner circle
1555 Posts

Profile of The Duster
So he's not a weasel [?]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » The workers » » Sankey's UNDENIABLE (17 Likes)
 Go to page 1~2~3~4 [Next]
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2019 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.15 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL