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On Apr 29, 2018, Woodfield wrote:
Work on your technique


Hmmm

I think you are missing the point

Technique won't help you...

... if you really want to believe that laymen don't see it for what it is - and are very often being polite... yeah cool

I do despair at the arrogance that magicians have towards their audience, to the stupidity or blindness of 'laypeople' - maybe watch with laypeople and hear what they say once the magician has gone…
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On Apr 29, 2018, Woodfield wrote:
Work on your technique


Hmmm

I think you are missing the point

Technique won't help you...

... if you really want to believe that laymen don't see it for what it is - and are very often being polite... yeah cool

I do despair at the arrogance that magicians have towards their audience, to the stupidity or blindness of 'laypeople' - maybe watch with laypeople and hear what they say once the magician has gone…


While there are a lot of magic techniques that are questionable even when performed perfectly, a double lift isn't one of them. The actions can and should be identical to the way it would look with a single card. If you're getting caught on your doubles then Woodfield is right, you need to work on your technique.
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Getting back to this effect: No matter how good your DL is, how do you keep an observant spectator from thinking (and perhaps saying) "why didn't you just flip the card over when it came out of the envelope?" Putting it back on top of the deck first and then revealing it will surely engender suspicion.
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On Apr 29, 2018, Magicsquared wrote:
If you're getting caught on your doubles then Woodfield is right, you need to work on your technique.


I don't have a DL

It's you not me that's getting caught

Just becuase ppl are polite - it doesn't mean you are getting away with it... seriously try and read my post... just hang around after someone you consider the best at DL, has performed... I promise you afterwards, the laypeople if they talk about it will often know what they saw...

For goodness sake the move is in almost every card routine that they see

Cool though - keep believing specs are all stupid... no problem to me - and as you can't read my posts properly, that sure indicates that you are happy to misread specs reactions and feelings towards your work
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On Apr 29, 2018, Magicsquared wrote:
If you're getting caught on your doubles then Woodfield is right, you need to work on your technique.


I don't have a DL

It's you not me that's getting caught

Just becuase ppl are polite - it doesn't mean you are getting away with it... seriously try and read my post... just hang around after someone you consider the best at DL, has performed... I promise you afterwards, the laypeople if they talk about it will often know what they saw...

For goodness sake the move is in almost every card routine that they see

Cool though - keep believing specs are all stupid... no problem to me - and as you can't read my posts properly, that sure indicates that you are happy to misread specs reactions and feelings towards your work


Nice try, but you're wrong. My friends aren't polite. I get caught on things all the time. I consider that part of the process of getting better. But I don't get caught on a double lift, because I've worked on it enough that it looks essentially the same as the genuine action.
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Sometimes if you have the deck in one hand and the envelope in the other, you can make it look like you need the deck as a "resting surface" for the card when you take it out of the envelope, kind of like "your hands are full" and that's the "only place" you can put the card for the time being. Other effects use this method like a simple card to wallet with the DB in the wallet to start. It looks a little better when you use the deck to "help" the card out of the envelope. But it is true, people will say "why did he do,this and not that", etc, but there will be people also that it will fly right by.
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In some cases I've used the prediction card with a red back, while the particular effect is being performed with a blue deck (or vice versa). The prediction card does not have to be a DB, just any red backed card with a little double stick or spray on the face, dump it onto the top of the deck and with the tips of your fingers cleanly and slowly just lift it off the top and show the reveal. You can't hand it out, but the color separation helps it look better and makes it seem more like that the card you just dumped is the exact card you just revealed.
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In some cases I've used the prediction card with a red back, while the particular effect is being performed with a blue deck (or vice versa). The prediction card does not have to be a DB, just any red backed card with a little double stick or spray on the face, dump it onto the top of the deck and with the tips of your fingers cleanly and slowly just lift it off the top and show the reveal. You can't hand it out, but the color separation helps it look better and makes it seem more like that the card you just dumped is the exact card you just revealed.


Now, that's a great idea for a convincing reveal, whether as above or with a DL. Thanks!
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I finally looked at the DVD, today. Was surprised to see he provided an alternate method that completely dispenses with the need for a DL.
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I can 'do' strike DLs - which feels most natural, to me - however, there is sometimes inconsistency. I just can't get it as perfect as I want it, every time.

The thick card (for me, 2 cards held together with 3M Super 77 spray adhesive) allows me the high level of consistency I want. If you haven't tried it, put a solid thick card under 2 cards and try it.

It can be a bit of a trade-off having a gimmick in the deck, but a thick card is about as innocuous and innocent-looking as they come.

There are lots of other kinds of DLs, many involving some sort of get-ready. They're fine, but for me that strike double feels most natural, so it probably looks the most natural when I do it (well). The thick card provides confidence that the natural feeling movement will function properly, each time.
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I'll give that a try!
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Doug, when I first heard about that, I kind of thought, "Sure..." I was honestly shocked at how well it worked.
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Actually, I could visualize it in my mind from what you described.
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I'm not familiar with "Just Imagine", but if you're reading into what he's saying and know Sankey's history of, uh, "rehashing" his older material, I think there are clues that this was gonna be dissapointing.

1. Excessive marketing - We just found 20 more in the warehouse! Better get it quick at a 30% discount because its gonna sell out (if it's that popular why discount it at all?).
2. Lack of full performance. Why does he not show the full performance? Because it would give away the method. What's wrong with that? The trick is probably either very transparent or much more so that he would like you to believe.
3. "And then you take back the envelope" and reveal the card. Whey not just have the spectator take the card out? Because this is when some of the funny business happens, just at the time you don't want to be doing funny business for a well-constructed effect, at the reveal.
4. List of things the trick doesn't use: *NO nail writers. NO impression gimmicks. NO palming or difficult sleight-of-hand. He's trying to sell magicians a secret they think is valuable, but in reality it makes no difference to the effect. It would probably be a better effect if you did use a nail writer or an impression gimmick, but everyone knows about those already!.
5. Price point - Do you think if he had a way to cleanly do what he was saying in the trailer while having some sort of amazing solution that was revolutionary and also uses no sleight of hand, he would sell it for 17$? No, he would be selling it for like 100$, so obviously there is a major compromise.

Not trying to specifically rip on this one effect, but this is a little lesson on reading into magic advertisements. Maybe instead of going for effects like this trying to make you want an amazing secret that you don't know, just buy the nailwriter, learn the palm, and get the impression device. Who knows, might end up being better!

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On Apr 30, 2018, Maestro wrote:

I'm not familiar with "Just Imagine", but if you're reading into what he's saying and know Sankey's history of, uh, "rehashing" his older material



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In January 2008 Jay Sankey said:

First and foremost, if you want use the word "REHASH" and apply it to me. You hopefully have done enough research because I don't think the facts support that that word really applies to me. Given the enormous quanity and the unquestionable value so many people around the planet have found from so much of my stuff.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNsrK6P9QvI
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For him, 'rehash' is a word that I 'just imagine' is 'undeniable' and true
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I don't think "rehash" applies here. "Rerelease" might be more appropriate.

The moniker doesn't matter. What matters is the effect and this is a terrific one. I used to use this a lot back in the day. Everything is motivated and there are enough convincers to throw lay people off the scent. There are also multiple ways of doing it.
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Been reading along here, and love Sankey's work...He's prolifically creative and clever, and I enjoy a bit of his closeup, cards, coins, whatever...Just great stuff and a lot of fun! Smile

I think sometimes, or perhaps often enough, you come up with more angles or ways of doing the same thing, and may feel it plays different enough to reproach it or even re-offer it. As sometimes, something you've put out long ago might be worth pulling out and brushing off again, something that perhaps got buried with some other stuff or just within another time. Not saying that that's what's happening with this necessarily, but perhaps I'm just cutting the guy some slack. Smile It's not easy coming up with hit after hit when you've had a real successful, penchant for it over the long haul.

I've actually not seen this one before, so it's sorta new-2-me, Smile and perhaps that's the folks he's aiming at most in all this. Of course, those that caught it the first time as "Just Imagine" will recognize it at the core, but I honestly think a lot of things are like that, especially coming from one man's mind...Just sayin', but it's a nice effect still, then and now. Smile
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Like I said, I purchased it sometime back, and never got around to it. But after viewing the DVD, I'm willing to give it a shot , considering as he provides an alternate method.
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