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ejohn Special user Atlanta 720 Posts |
There isn't a full performance, but the trailer looks good: https://sankey-magic.myshopify.com/products/undeniable Has anyone tried it? Would like to see a review.
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Magicsquared Inner circle 1262 Posts |
This seems to be his trick "Just Imagine" but with a new name.
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
I just watched the 'Just Imagine' trailer and that seemed [if I saw it right] to have two DL and a DB
Undeniable trailer didn't suggest there was any DL or DB - it seems to say you take out the only card and everyone goes crazy as it has the correct shape and colour on it I'm not asking for real magic - but unless there is some new method the Undeniable trailer is undeniably sneaky It has a skill level of 1... I guess that's the lowest skill level... wouldn't that be for a self working effect [?] It's not's just that there is work to do - if it's still two DL... but dropping the card onto the pack, etc - it isn't very logical... and he says on the trailer you take the card out... so that would either be lying... or there is a new method... or he's showing it from the specs view point [hmm, when selling it - which is naughty] As he says you can give the envelope away, I guess this is not a new [compared to Just Imagine]method Though of course the tricks are completely different... as Just Imagine uses the 2d and Undeniable the 2h AND yes all the patter and everything is exactly the same as the previous release |
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Tomangerry New user 66 Posts |
He is showing it from a spectators point of view . Tom
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
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On Apr 26, 2018, Tomangerry wrote: No - he is not 'showing' it He's "saying it"... then you get the card out of the envelope they had all along - and they see it's the only card, etc It's an awful way to sell to magicians Very devious |
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Paul Rathbun Inner circle Michigan 2543 Posts |
Looks exactly like Just Imagine.
https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/9160
Sleightly Better Magic Reviews - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9rkXnNp8CxftN-rxU_WcbQ |
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mystery7 New user 10 Posts |
Just went on youtube to watch Just Imagine. If the trailer is complete for UNDENIABLE it is very different. I can't wee where the switch happens if it is done exactly as in the video. There has to be a switch as this is not mind control. If the video is edited and something is done that we do not see this is a big scam.
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TuneHV Inner circle New York 2063 Posts |
You would think Jay would have addressed in the ad copy if this is just a re-release of Just Imagine, or more importantly, if this is an updated version he should mention that to avoid confusion.
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mystery7 New user 10 Posts |
If it is a re-release the deck would come back into play again.WE should see exactly what we do as a perfomer and the cards never come back into play in the trailer.In the trailer He removes the card right from the envelope and just shows it as having the correct shape and color, that is just NOT POSSIBLE without the switch and he never shows the deck again. JUST WRONG JAY
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
I was wondering about this from the first time I read the description of the effect. I KNEW sounded awfully familiar!!
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
I guess I am in the minority here,
But to me it feels dishonest to sell a trick like this Also to give it a skill level of 1 That’s his lowest rating – that must be ‘self-working’, or very simple non-sleight sleights... as soon as you get into the realms of multiple DLs that has to not rank the same as his self workers [?] - I said it's probably just me... as I have no card skills... I guess I’m a chump – but if I saw that advert and didn’t see the original one [Just Imagine] where it looks like 2 DL, a DB, and having to take the card out of the envelope in a very ‘unusual’ way… and I just went on what Jay Sankey said in the advert for this release… with the skill level needed being the lowest… I would feel super cheated if I bought this and saw what I actually had to do… Then again he has this trick listed too: Quote:
Err what???? I know you all love the Sankey - but that is just weasel-ly Also not mentioning Just Imagine – [either this being an upgraded version or a re-release] all adds up to Jay and his methods being super sketchy I don’t believe it’s upgraded in anyway I just think he’s put out an awful ad copy video – to garner extra sales… and have the trick in more magicians bottom draws... though maybe he will lose some repeat business [?] Now I wonder… Surely…. He must use the deck of cards that he released… The ones he was always going to use, that he specially got designed… [Tattoos deck] that looked awful and were in actual fact very cheap and poor quality… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdIJfd-G5uU “awful”, “unfit for even card games”, “basically dollar store cards” Even on here they didn't get any love http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=218 I think at some point you can no longer say, 'he used to release good stuff' - as an excuse for the way he sells stuff now Anyone can put out rubbish But it's about how they put it out... if it's an honest as copy - that's ok... when it's all slime and subterfuge, then surely it deserves more attention and less respect |
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mikenewman Inner circle Kent Island, Maryland 1114 Posts |
He says that you (Magician) take the exact envelope they were holding. And take out the card.
You can give the card and envelope to them as a souvenir. Not a DB. You couldn’t hand it out. I was thinking Just Imagine too. I ordered it. If nothing else, I will work on it with my 9 year old daughter. The one you see me holding in my pic! Yep, she’s freaking 9! |
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
Either that picture is old....
Or she has been using a lot of those rejuvenating creams that apparently actually work |
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
I only guessed from m just imagine
I guessed DB was in the envelope After the DLs you now hand out a card that was not in the envelope for the spec to keep You are right if sankey is honest in his advert videos - that's can't be the method So I'm a chump I'm not a card guy so if it is skill level 1 and no DL type shenanigans- then I'm interested But.... Sankey could be a weasel Do please review it if you can All the best |
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mikenewman Inner circle Kent Island, Maryland 1114 Posts |
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On Apr 27, 2018, The Duster wrote: Lol Yeah. My wording was off. It’s definitely an old pic! I ordered it. Won’t get here until late next week. |
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Woodfield Special user 756 Posts |
I use Just Imagine a lot. Although I don't use the db and envelope, I take the prediction out of a Mullica wallet I place on the table at the start.
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Paul Rathbun Inner circle Michigan 2543 Posts |
Just Imagine isn't a bad effect for laymen. I just wish he had made it clear that all this is is a re-release of Just Imagine. The video doesn't show a performance, just a description of what he imagines the spectator perceiving.
https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/9160
Sleightly Better Magic Reviews - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9rkXnNp8CxftN-rxU_WcbQ |
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
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On Apr 27, 2018, Paul Rathbun wrote: so he's a weasel [?] |
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TuneHV Inner circle New York 2063 Posts |
He posted this on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BiEk_CbFg0E/ If he is highlighting this aspect of the effect... then maybe it is a new handling of Just Imagine... would be nice to know for sure. |
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
So he's not a weasel [?]
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