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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
Personally, I don't think there's such a thing as "over priced".
The seller sets a price. The potential customer decides whether that price is acceptable for what they would receive. Most of the time when I see someone saying something is over priced, what I am hearing is, "I want this but I want it to be cheaper." Like when someone says, "I wish I could draw" what they really mean is, "I wish drawing was easier." I think Keiron has priced Isolated pretty fairly. The routine as taught doesn't really suit my character, but I can recognize the value of this piece. On top of that, watching the instructions gave me ideas for multiple routines that do suit my character. I think he could have sold Isolated for two or three times the current price and still made a decent amount of sales, though the customer base would have been smaller. Quote:
On May 2, 2018, scott0819 wrote: Nice work!
Christopher
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
Quote [The seller sets a price. The potential customer decides whether that price is acceptable for what they would receive. ]
Unfortunately, much of the time we have little idea what we are to receive, so therefore cannot make that decision. |
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randyburtis Inner circle 1256 Posts |
I agree with Pegasus that with trailers etc what they are today you don't often know what you get. That said Isolated is imo great value AND you get a lot for the price AND the trailer is clear. For something you can use for small stage and close up it is strong enough to be a closer effect. For me there are lots of tricks that are good openers or middles, but when you find a good closer that is worth a lot more than what is paid for it...
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Saturn UK Inner circle 2658 Posts |
I have recently bought Bill Abbots No Brainer, it cost me nearly £400 to get it to the UK.
Did I get £400 worth of product? No not even half that. I did however get £400 worth of value out of it and I'll use it in every show from now on! Isolated falls into the same bracket, so many are telling us this should have been priced higher, but there is a tradeoff in price against number of units sold and we felt people that buy this would be happy at that level which is proving to be the case.
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Cameron Francis V.I.P. 7025 Posts |
You’re not just paying tor stuff. You are paying for the work that went into the idea, the presentation and the performance rights.
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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
There are a lot of resources available to be sure one knows what they are purchasing. I am one of those resources (when it comes to Ellusionist, at least). I'm happy to answer questions to clarify that a product is what someone wants/expects - but I'll tell you right now, I rarely get those questions. Maybe 1 or 2 with any new release. Obviously I can't give away a method, but "I want to do XYZ, will this product let me do that?" will get an honest answer.
There's also reviews, and I personally make a point of contacting the creator if I'm unsure about anything. Just a couple days ago I chatted with the creator of a somewhat expensive item to be sure it would do what I need. After an bit of an exchange I am satisfied and made the order. As a side benefit, this is a good way to make friends with the creators in the magic world - turns out they like chatting about the stuff they create most times. Isolated, in specific - the package contents are listed in the thread, the demo video shows multiple people, laymen and magicians, reacting to Kieron's performance, and there's a full routine (like 7 minutes long?) posted on E's YouTube channel. One knows what they are getting with this product, and I do think it's very fairly priced considering all the back-end considerations. People need to be paid to have products on the market - and there's a lot more people in that pool than my be suspected. From the original post - they mentioned the materials used to make the physical items. Ok, sure. As already mentioned there's also the cost of room and board making the instructional video, editing the instructional video, labor for creating the props, shipping costs to get the products to the company selling it, warehouse costs (rent, utilities, etc) to store the product, warehouse staff wages to pick and pack orders, support staff wages (hi), marketing department's salary so it actually sells, and after all that, the company has to make a profit. Oh, not to mention compensating Kieron for his efforts in the creation and development of the product. Until I first started working behind the scenes I didn't think about any of those costs when I saw product prices. I suspect others have done the same.
Christopher
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randyburtis Inner circle 1256 Posts |
Another angle to consider is the price paid for buying cheaper rip off items where the producers(notice I didn't say creators) steal concepts, don't get permission etc. You get inferior product and magic pays a price because true creators are robbed and creators stop creating and then magic pays the price in not moving forward...
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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
Oh, right, the real creators also have to compensate for projected intellectual property theft as well.
Christopher
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mantel Special user 922 Posts |
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On May 2, 2018, scott0819 wrote: Considering your hard work making impossible bottles, I don't know why you're insisting a JAR with a Rubik's Cube inside is an impossible bottle when it's not. (It's an "impossible object") As I wrote above the time required to assemble the materials is much less because the JAR has a wider opening. While I appreciate your hobby making "impossible bottles" if someone called them JARS that would depreciate your work because they're bottles. Isolated however is a JAR!, not a bottle. |
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King14 Loyal user 268 Posts |
£40 for a trick deck now. If only professional Magicians purchased magic tricks a lot of dealers would be out of business in the morning. It's the hobbyist that keeps them in business as they purchase every new trick that comes on the market.
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
Pro’s rarely buy new magic so 90 percent of sales are from us hobbyists.
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The Duster Inner circle 1693 Posts |
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On May 2, 2018, pegasus wrote: And 80% of those sales were through UK government grants that Karl got before Blackpool each year |
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zimzim33 New user 9 Posts |
Its funny - I came onto the site to learn some more cube routines after receiving this trick in the mail just the other day. In reality, I may not use the signed cube to bottle very often - it takes up some pocket room that frankly, I don't have all the time. However, how Kieron handles the cube, and the little nuances of the trick that he shows are absolutely worth it. The jazz routine? Amazing. The simplicity of the cube stuff? Incredible. It's funny because without even bringing up the gimmick, I am very happy with the price I paid. It is so obvious that an incredible amount of time was spent putting this trick together. And while it may not be for everyone, that's fine. What I paid for was just that - his time. Is it expensive? Yes. But that cannot be the only factor used to calculate a tricks worth. People have to make a profit and be fairly compensated for their time. And with this trick, I look at the pricing as very fair. It is an amazing trick that is both visually stunning (and impossible seeming), but more importantly, fun to perform.
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kidnapped1853 New user 62 Posts |
Ultimately market forces determine the price. At the end of the day, a commodity is worth what people are willing to pay for it. The product creator takes risk by investing time, energy, and capital up front in hopes of making a profit. Since they take the risk, they determine the initial sale price. The market then responds by buying, or not buying. If you take this risk, and you can make a profit, even a very large profit, then, in my opinion, you deserve it! I for one, deeply appreciate these capitalist risk takers in the magic world, as they have given me a vast array of products to choose from. I am 55 years-old and when I was just getting into magic in the 1970s the product and effect choices were much narrower.
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deanr201 New user 67 Posts |
I think we find a lot in magic that a lot of people place value on how compliancted the method is rather than how good the effect is.
I know I have bought some effects and thought it's really not worth £x...but then there was obviously a reason I bought it in the first place. Got to give credit to the creators and every one wake involved bringing a product to market and it's important not to loose site of that. |
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