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Looks like lately a lot of magicians puts out tricks bassís on the same plot.
What s the difference between Chosen, Prophecy by Vallarino and One by Dobson???
Which one is the best?
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On May 11, 2018, DavidKenney wrote:
The gimmicks are NEVER touched by the spectator - so the spectator is free to handle all cards


Thanks David. Sounds like this is a slightly more complex method than I had in mind in order to keep the gimmick out of the specs hands.
Not sure itís really necessary but could be a worthwhile improvement.
The R/S, sticky stuff is still an issue though I believe and it appears the producer of this effect has bowed out of the discussion unfortunately.
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One by Wayne Dobson does not fall in this category at all. Actually, itís based on a J Bannon effect.
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The ďcreator ď describes it as diabolical if you have a can of SF and 5 minutes itís the first thing youíd think of to do with the stuff
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Interesting thing with this effect - the way I do it anyway ( assume itís same as this release) is it is clean although as stated, not logical without a good presentation, a fairly easy fix. But you just need two cards altered and the deck does look good before, during and after the effect. I like it ( my way) but surprised at some of the ad claims. However, to be fair, Penn & Teller were fooled recently by a simple effect that most here still hype. So my ask is -is it is the presentation that Ďdisturbsí some here ? If itís method then why are others including the fooling P&T ok - or lastly, does it all depend on who releases an effect ? Just some thoughts, not looking to debate. Actually just curious. Thx all.
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On May 15, 2018, Rizzo wrote:
So my ask is -is it is the presentation that Ďdisturbsí some here ? If itís method then why are others including the fooling P&T ok - or lastly, does it all depend on who releases an effect ?


My only beef is with the need to put the selected card back in the deck only to immediately remove it again. If you're referring to Copycat by comparison, the necessary steps are motivated by exchanging decks between the magician and spectator, plus the "do as I do" and Bell aspects of the presentation provide a dimension to the routine that provides entertainment beyond the effect itself.
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Great points! I agree that itís not logical to have card selected- cut into the deck then spread and removed. I do believe with the right motivation & presentation, it can work. Also agree with Copycat- great routining and entertaining effect.
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Anyone familiar with "The Known" by Thom Peterson (Penguin Download}? It seems to accomplish much the same effect without any gimmicks. Any comparison information would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Yes known is a great self working effect based on a very old principle . Thom has added a great equivoque ( which again Iím sure is standard ) and made me realise how strong it plays to a lay audience . A dealing process is involved so it is very different but achieves a similar outcome . I think itís on his amazing guy dvd possibly under another name but itís the same effect , I hope that helps regards Tarik 🙂
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Thanks, Tarik. That certainly was helpful.

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On May 15, 2018, drstevemagic wrote:
Anyone familiar with "The Known" by Thom Peterson (Penguin Download}? It seems to accomplish much the same effect without any gimmicks. Any comparison information would be appreciated. Thanks!


Yes, in both Chosen and The Known, the spectator's selection matches a prediction. In both cases, the prediction isn't physically involved in the method -- you can use a stranger card, a written note, a photo on a phone, etc. In Chosen, a gimmick is necessary to achieve the match. In The Known, it can be a borrowed deck of regular cards. Neither effect allows the spectator to simply pull one card of the deck and be done with it, but The Known does a much better job of motivating the selection. It's also $5 cheaper, since it's only a download.
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Yes I agree with the above post you have compared them very well a random any card selections they are not . A process is involved albeit a very good motivated one with Thoms effect . I forget the name but there is similar version as Thoms using a wallet and 2 selections with a circle in one and a square in the other which involves the same principle , best wishes Tarik 🙂
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The addition of the circle /square was a nice touch to this very old effect.
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Just to confirm something we all knew mines arrived and it is SF or Plasticote so despite what ití says on the add copy itís R&S principal
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I see one dealer is describing it as shocking and amazing ???
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Just to confirm something we all knew mines arrived and it is SF or Plasticote so despite what ití says on the add copy itís R&S principal


Well, I suppose that technically it is not R&S if going by true definition. But I agree that no dealer should ever try and get away with that use of linguistics.
And I think to play dumb and try to claim that they thought it was a totally different thing is being disingenuous to say the least.
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I am not by any means "defending" Titanas but he did change his signature a while back after some discussion about his involvement in everything he promotes to read --- "Product Developer @ Murphys Magic Supplies". <--- on the bottom of all his posts.

By the same token, I have learned enough thru the many posts on this forum to "Ignore" or at least "take with a grain of salt" ANYTHING that he is "EXCITED ABOUT". I consider the source and where his loyalties are (at his job - as anyone would).

I also know several posters who I also ignore completely, and several more that put out what "I" consider - "Trusted Reviews". Your mileage may vary.
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I would put my loyalty to magic before my job and I would rather lose my job than describe an effect which is poor and he must know the method on . Even he doesnít know the method then I personally wouldnít even advertise it but itís his choice and his own reputation that has being tarnished . It doesnít affect me in the slightest as I can see through all these effects through 40 plus years of experience but I feel sorry for the youngsters and also the new guys and girls coming into this wonderful art who potentially look up to him ( must of us have to as he is about 7ft tall lol ) , I certainly donít ,very best wishes Tarik 🙂
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As misleading at the ad may be, and how poorly justified the process is, in Titanas defense he didn't say he was excited about it. Merely made a product announcement Smile

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On May 17, 2018, dyoung wrote:
As misleading at the ad may be, and how poorly justified the process is, in Titanas defense he didn't say he was excited about it. Merely made a product announcement


Yeah, why are we talking about the guy who posted a link to the product, instead of talking about the merits of the product? The original post only described it as a "new release." It didn't even say it was good.
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