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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
This is my official public apology to Dan Watkins for savagely copying the three coin effect that he posted in this forum a little while back. It was unintentional, for the most part, but it happened nonetheless.
I was out of material on Satuday night, and, having just completed my original effect "The Totem" (which, after some recent modifications, leaves me with "3" silver coins in hand instead of "2"). I gave in to the requests of the spectators to do another one, and drawing a complete blank, I proceeded to do Dan's effect, which I had been playing around with since I first watched it. My version is a bit different, opting to take the coward's way out on the third coin, and do a spellbound change instead of a vanish, however, my version did include twisting, waving, and tossing... and I feel horrible about it! Dan, please accept my sincere apologies for this obvious fraud. I will, in the future, change my routine, substituting tossing, waving, and twisting for spinning smiling, and pitching. And if I figure out a good way to vanish the third coin... I'll keep that to myself. Best, Mike |
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Stuart Hooper Special user Mithrandir 759 Posts |
What do you say fellows? Shall we burn him? Disembowel him? Draw him? Quarter him? Shoot him? Hang him?
:) |
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
I feel so violated.
I already did keep the good way to vanish the last coin to myself. BTW how do you do a spellbound change? Were you using different coins? Dan |
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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
Shhhhhh...! I used a C/S for coin number three. Coin number two seemed a little suspicious to me as well...
Mike |
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Rob Johnston Inner circle Utah 2060 Posts |
Let us Nepoed him. That would be slicing him open, hollowing him out, and replacing all the goodies with rocks, then drowning him in the river.
How dare he! (As I run to go change my own routines...)
"Genius is another word for magic, and the whole point of magic is that it is inexplicable." - Margot Fonteyn
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
Mike,
For penance you need to do 100 perfect faro shuffles with a beat up deck followed by two giant steps and three umbrella steps. There must be consequences. |
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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
You're a tough man Larry, but fair. I will accept the consequences of my actions.
It figures you'd pick the card punishment... I'll be working those Faro shuffles through for awhile. I really did feel bad about it. I pride myself with not going totally blank very often... and when it does happen, I usually take the honorable way out and falsely claim to that I need to go make some drinks. >:) Thanks Rob. Gutting me and weighting me down, very nice. We live in a three strike society man, I get two more chances... don't I? Be nice to me, or I'll break out my dice and go after you're stuff. Mike |
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
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On 2004-04-26 17:50, WildStone wrote: It happens every now and then, I usually resort to doing Dan Watkins' stuff too when that happens. |
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bcharles New user South Carolina 59 Posts |
Takes a big man to own up to it. And it has been said that imitation is the best form of flattery.
Brian |
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what Special user Lehi, UT, USA 643 Posts |
I must admit that I'm working on my coin skills so that I too someday will be able copy Dan Watkins' work. Until then, my paultry coin work will have to suffice.
Mike
Magic is fun!!!
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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
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It happens every now and then, I usually resort to doing Dan Watkins' stuff too when that happens. Too funny man... I've decided to start a 12-step "I can't believe it's not Dan" program for the creatively challenged. We'll go over all of Dan's material, picking out the ones that we can do in a semi-efficient manner, go over them in minute detail, and just basically go out there and be like Dan...literally! My name from now on shall be King Midas, and I'm looking for an assistant to go by the name PO & Beyond. All interested parties should PM me with a list qualifications, and at least five good reasons why it's OK to copy Dan's material. Additionally, a good slogan is required. I'm not happy with the current, "Do it like Dan, or don't do it at all!" because of it's implied high goal-ed-ness. :hysteric: Best to All, Mike |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
Hmmmm. What an odd post. All in jest I guess.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Break his arms.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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cigar808 New user 83 Posts |
Break HIS arms?
This I gotta see. |
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redstreak Inner circle A.K.A David Kong 1368 Posts |
I vote tar and feathers.
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Tom G Inner circle 2895 Posts |
He's too big you go first. (I think it's a quote from Moe). Actually if you're out of stuff to do, that's it. Leave em wanting more.
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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
After I do the Faro shuffles for Larry, let Rob have at it, and get the tar and feathers off... I'll break my own arms to save time and confusion. That should satisfy everyone
Yes, this post was made in jest, but somewhere inside of it there is a serious point that I suppose I wanted to make as well. Like many routines, 3-Fly has become (with or without permissions of inventors) a very commercial and popular routine. Simply because a routine isn't documented in someone's manuscript, notes, or DVD/video, doesn't negate a performer's responsibility to give credit where credit is due. I very rarely opt to perform a routine in the style of another magician, but it happens sometimes. I prefer to script my own illusions based upon a combination of that which I learn and that which I create myself, but every so often, speaking for myself, I've caught myself imitating someone else... in this case, Dan. So, I've resolved to mention it every time that I do, and going a step farther, from now on, I'm going to make a point to mention it to my spectators at the completion of the effect, to keep me honest, and to remind me of what's what, and who's who. In this particular case, at the point where I changed Dan's routine by doing a short spellbound sequence instead of the third vanish, I simply commented that, "... a very talented magician that I know can make this last coin vanish as the first two did... I'm working on that one ..." And then I proceded with the spellbound changes. Best, Mike |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Re: 3-Fly has become (with or without permissions of inventors)
Only one inventor, and never called the thing 'Three Fly'.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Mike Wild Inner circle NY, PA, TX, MA, FL, NC 1290 Posts |
Sorry Jon. I should have used the singular forms there, instead of plurals.
Although, a perfect example which serves to illustrate my point. You shared the effect, and it was, for one reason or another, copied and wholesaled to the industry. Should you not get credit simply because there was no Coins Across manuscript available at the time? I would think that anyone who performs the effect, teaches a particualr handling of it, or takes it to "the next level" would / should give credit to its inventor, regardless of what is, was, or was not in print at the time. I have a manuscript coming out (soon... god please let it be done soon!). But I have many other original effects (or effects that I at least did not intentionally copy ) that may never appear in print. That doesn't make them any less mine, to share or not as I see fit. I like to share, but I only ask that when I see a magician perform one of my effects, that he not claim it as his own at the completion. I don't need an entry in the credits section of the DVD, or even a passing mention, but I find it insulting and frustrating when someone claims to have created what he and I both know he did not. Mike |
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Stuart Hooper Special user Mithrandir 759 Posts |
Re: Giving credit where it is due.
Mike, with all due respect, it's more than just giving credit where it is due. I have a three-fly manuscript where Jonathan Townsend is credited with "the original inspiration". It is also important, to have permission to publish or even use unpublished effects. Sometimes this is forgotten. If I watch your "Totem" routine, Mr. Wild, and then go publish a book about it, not to mention it performing it everywhere I go, even if I'm saying, of this is Mike Wild's effect, I need your PERMISSION. To make it "right" anyhow. But who cares about "right"? Once something is on the market, none of us care about it's origins. And that's "wrong". |
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