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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
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On May 28, 2018, R.S. wrote: If you believe a sugar pill can cure cancer, then it can cure cancer. That is well documented fact. If I believe live food can heal me, it will heal me. Quote:
The assertion that “live food heals disease” is an unsubstantiated assertion by JoeJoe of Myrtle Beach. James Lind ran an actual controlled experiment and obtained unambiguous results. Then setup a controlled experiment and find out ... I am too busy to care, I have a Garden to plant. Quote:
Platitudes aside, why do you regard progress as “trying to replace” mother nature? Maybe a more accurate assessment is that we’re trying to “enhance” mother nature to feed the growing world’s population. Food used to grow everywhere and was freely available to everyone. Today, the food is cut down and replaced with "sterile mutant freaks". God forbid a homeless man be able to find an orange growing on a tree, how can they make people buy food in the store if it is growing for free?? Trees today are purposefully made to not grow fruit ... that is hardly fits any definition of "enhancing mother nature", and is completely the opposite of what I'm doing: planting a Garden large enough to feed every man woman and child for free. https://inhabitat.com/guerrilla-grafters......o-trees/ Quote:
I wasn’t talking about you and your condition. I was talking about your claim that food labels are a lie. Have a can of food tested and then compare it to the label ... don't take my word for it, see for yourself. You don't even have to do all that, the information is out there just look it up, you don't need to take my word for it - the truth is out there: "What’s more, the FDA doesn’t do any systematic policing of labels to ensure that calorie counts meet even that lax degree of accuracy. The responsibility for label accuracy remains with the food companies, from national manufacturers to regional or local vendors. It basically works on the honor system." http://www.berkeleywellness.com/healthy-......e-counts "Its effects can be big. If you eat your food raw, you will tend to lose weight. If you eat the same food cooked, you will tend to gain weight. Same calories, different outcome." https://qz.com/880694/nutrition-labels-a......rmation/ "Unfortunately, Nutrition Facts labels are not always factual ... the law allows a pretty lax margin of error—up to 20 percent—for the stated value versus actual value of nutrients ... which doesn't bode well for diabetic carb counters, folks with high blood pressure who are watching sodium intake, or moms looking to boost the iron content of their babies' diets. The FDA has never established a systematic, random label-auditing process, and compliance with the law is expected to be self-enforced by food manufacturers." https://health.usnews.com/health-news/bl......bels-lie -JoeJoe
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On May 28, 2018, JoeJoe wrote: Care to back this up with the alleged "well documented facts"? Or just make assertions?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
The Placebo Effect is something that has interested me for a long time. "Oh, that's just a placebo effect," has been used to dismiss something very real that happened. The "Oh, that's just" requires further investigation and respect.
Given that, the research into the placebo effect generally finds that it can be effective for some kind of health issues, but not for others (in particular, very good for pain, not so good for cancer). You might want to take a look at this book: https://www.amazon.com/Placebo-Belief-Ef......o+effect
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On May 28, 2018, JoeJoe wrote: Not quite, my friend. Believing that an intervention can have an effect elicits the body’s placebo response, which then leads to self-reported subjective improvements. And it’s virtually always for things that, given time, are self-healing anyway, like headaches, nausea, random aches and pains, etc. Do you believe that your garden-grown “live” foods will heal your blindness, Celiac, MS, etc.? If so, how long will it take for the cures to take effect? If you aren’t cured, would that change your mind about the ability of mere belief to cure diseases? Quote:
I’m not the one making the claim. You are. If you really care about the truth of your claim you would seek to either confirm or disconfirm it. Quote:
You’re taking isolated incidents and spinning them into your conspiracy narrative. As usual, the devil is in the details. In the article you link to, fearing that fruit-bearing trees would create a mess and attract (disease-carrying) rodents, some streets in ONE city (San Francisco), were lined with sterile non fruit-bearing trees. That’s a far cry from the nefarious agenda that you imply, as the original intent was to mitigate a potential problem – not to deprive it’s citizens of food. Quote:
Having margins of error and varying within those margins is one thing, but a grand government conspiracy to intentionally lie to, and harm, it’s own citizens is another thing altogether. In a country with 320 million people, and thousands upon thousands of manufacturers, distribution centers, and stores, it’s a daunting task to examine each and every can, container, bag, carton, or piece of fruit. However, regulations are in place with methods of enforcement. It may not be a “perfect’ system (no system is), but it’s the best we’ve got. You can learn about FDA compliance and enforcement here: https://www.fda.gov/Food/ComplianceEnforcement/default.htm Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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However, regulations are in place with methods of enforcement. Way less than you may think, especially under the current administration. It doesn't require secret society conspiracies to undermine inspections--merely administrators of regulatory agencies chosen from the very companies which are supposed to have been regulated. And legislation written by the very companies the laws are supposed to be regulating. This is how we live now.
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On May 28, 2018, landmark wrote: This crossed my mind as well. Still, I think JoeJoe has taken it a bit too far. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
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On May 28, 2018, R.S. wrote: It already is - I haven't had a seizure in years, the panic attacks have stopped, my hands no longer shake, I no longer need anti-acids, I haven't vomited my guts out in years ... I don't need a doctor or scientist to prove anything to me, I already know it is working. I've been in the studio filming video again and am ready to come out of retirement. It is working. Quote:
In the article you link to, fearing that fruit-bearing trees would create a mess and attract (disease-carrying) rodents, some streets in ONE city (San Francisco), were lined with sterile non fruit-bearing trees. There are no fruit-producing trees in my city either ... when I moved here there was a plum tree and a wild strawberry field across the street from me which was cut down to put up a condo. When the SHTF, we are going to wish we had food on these trees. One EMP attack from Iran and every gas station in America is broken and there will be no food coming into the cities from the farms. Quote:
Having margins of error and varying within those margins is one thing, but a grand government conspiracy to intentionally lie to, and harm, it’s own citizens is another thing altogether. It is the manufacturers that are lying, the government is looking the other way. Believe what you want, I don't trust the labels. I'm not going to sit here and try to convince anyone of the truth. -JoeJoe
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On May 28, 2018, JoeJoe wrote: Panic attacks, shaking hands, and not needing anti-acids is one thing, but do you still have MS, Celiac, and blindness? Again, you started out way overweight, you were eating at McDonalds every day, and you were far exceeding the safe consumption recommendations of some foods. As I said, pretty much ANYTHING one does to moderate that lifestyle would yield positive results. You may have correlation of improved health with “live” foods, but causation is a different matter altogether. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad you’re doing better. Just don’t eschew proper medical care if you need it. Quote:
And one asteroid impact and we’re all toast. That’s a game that can be played ad nauseum. But it doesn’t get us anywhere. The extremely slim chances of an EMP attack from Iran don’t justify NOT creating housing for people. I mean, I’m glad you like to be prepared, but use some common sense. Quote:
OK. Sounds like a discussion to be had over a banana chocolate coffee smoothie. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On May 28, 2018, JoeJoe wrote: And yet the fingers continue to type rapidly.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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JoeJoe Inner circle Myrtle Beach 1915 Posts |
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OK. Sounds like a discussion to be had over a banana chocolate coffee smoothie. That is the best option, I do have things I must get back to doing. -JoeJoe
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Joe wrote, 'The Native American expression "Mni Wiconi" means "water is life" ... no water, no life. So no, insects are not eating "death" they are very much eating "life" - your blood still has life in it even after you "die". '
Interesting. So now a dead animal is full of life. Just like The tomato. I don't think I've ever encountered anyone who contradicts themselves more. It is becoming comical. |
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Animated Puppets Loyal user Lost on a Green Screen 285 Posts |
Just out of curiosity... What is the event that everyone is planning on surviving?
I still recall the day I met Beaker from the Muppets. He said to me "Meep, meep, mee mee mee Meep!", and that has made all the difference.
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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
Personally I'm just interested in survival skills in general, but I like to joke that I'm preppin' for the zombies.
Christopher
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Animated Puppets Loyal user Lost on a Green Screen 285 Posts |
I wouldn't survive (walking dead) Zombie Apocalypse. I'm down to taking only 1 blood pressure pill a day, but without it I would pop. So if any of you are reliant upon medication you would be zombie food too.
I like a lot of despotic and apocalyptic books. So I try to surmise my probability of survival for each. One book that stood out was The Road because I saw no reason to want to survive is a dead/dying world.
I still recall the day I met Beaker from the Muppets. He said to me "Meep, meep, mee mee mee Meep!", and that has made all the difference.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I'm going to have trouble surviving after the last season of Game of Thrones. Not planning on surviving the apocalypse.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
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On May 29, 2018, Mike Gainor wrote: Flood, blackout, hurricane, tornado, tsunami, EMP, economic strife, Fire, Water shortage, accident, and whatever else might come my way.
No matter how many times you say the wrong thing, it will NEVER be right.
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Animated Puppets Loyal user Lost on a Green Screen 285 Posts |
Most of those appear to be temporary events.
The axiom 'an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure' may be true but no one needs an ICU in their medical cabinet... A plan and an emergency to go bag can handle most of those situations. IMO...
I still recall the day I met Beaker from the Muppets. He said to me "Meep, meep, mee mee mee Meep!", and that has made all the difference.
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
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On May 29, 2018, Mike Gainor wrote: A bug out bag which you call a to go bag is not an option in some cases and other considerations need to be made. Not my opinion. FACT.
No matter how many times you say the wrong thing, it will NEVER be right.
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
The most important thing for me would be to still use my Kindle. How else would I know what to do?
https://survivalcache.com/kindle-survival-bug-out-bag/ Of course, I would have Senor Fabulos's (not yet written) book on it. BTW: have any of you read Cormac McCarthy's, "The Road"? Bleak, ugly, horrifying, beautiful. I highly recommend it. Also, just for fun, y'all might want to review this thread: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=32 |
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On May 30, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote: So, do you carry what you'll need at ALL times? What's your survival EDC SF?
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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