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It is important because there have been no vegan options since man started eating meat; the word "vegan" itself is only about a hundred years old. In others words, we are being forced to eat meat.


While I'm sympathetic with much of what you say and do, I take issue with your statement that we are forced to eat meat.

I admit I am no expert on this, but my understanding is that for most of pre-industrialized history, say, before the 1850s, most people in the world had diets that were mostly vegetarian with occasional meat for flavoring. Meat as a main course was for special days or for the rich. Think rice and beans or corn tortillas and cheese or pasta with tomato sauce or the extensive use of yams throughout Africa as diet staples for most of the world's population.

And certainly today as you point out no one is forced to eat meat. There are many many alternatives available.

It is true, however, that the meat manufacturers are a very strong lobby in the US and have the power to influence what are in my opinion many socially destructive decisions.




Come now Landmark, what in the world does recorded history have to do with this conversation? Rethink what you just posted... gather from the buttocks, and try again.
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There it is right there - the lie - the hunter-gather theory is a lie. The prevailing logic was if man was a hunter-gather when he learned how to "farm", he must have always been a hunter-gather.

That is incorrect, it is not true. We now know that man did not start-out as a "hunter-gather"; he ate like the monkeys in Africa do today - when they got hungry, they found food and ate it. It was all around them, there was no need to hunt or gather it.



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This lasted until there was a food shortage and man began to hunt and gather food. If your caveman is hunting, then go back further in time and you will find my caveman eating nuts and berries in the jungle without having to hunt or store anything.

-JoeJoe


Only if the population stays fixed. With population growth and the daily intake of a very conservative 2000 calories, the local food growth would not support a few people as much as a tribe. Now before you have them picking berries and apples and nuts, consider that everything has a season, and local wildlife partaking as well.

That squirrel eating all those nuts is competition and a well placed rock eliminated 2 problems. Smile
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It's pretty amazing that we have 15 pages of pointless discussion when JoeJoe's original claim is demonstrably false: I'm a meat eater and I don't want to be a vegan.

To anyone who knows anything about proof, that's the end of the discussion.
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You don't have the option to be vegan. There are ten items on the fast food menu, and virtually everything in the entire grocery store is owned by the same ten corporations that source products from the same factory farms. There may be a dozen brands of soup on the shelf, but every one of them was processed at the exact same factory by the same people.

The food industry is like a magician holding a deck of boxes saying "pick a food, any food, it doesn't matter what food you pick" ... they already stacked the deck in their favor - you eat what they offer you.

In order for you to prove to me you want to be a meat-eater, you would have to have access to a vegan menu in the first place. Until then, you don't know if you want to be vegan or not.

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In order for you to prove to me you want to be a meat-eater, you would have to have access to a vegan menu in the first place. Until then, you don't know if you want to be vegan or not.

-JoeJoe



But... but... the title of... this thread?


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But... but... the title of... this thread?


If a meat eater had the option to eat a delicious vegetable, he would.

If a vegan had the option to eat a delicious piece of dead flesh, he would not.

Every meat eater eats vegetables, but no vegans eat meat.

Even if a vegan starts eating meat again, he still keeps eating vegetables.

Even if a meat eater doesn't eat vegetables, he still seasons his meat with vegetables.

Everyone is eating vegetables, but not everyone is eating dead animal.

That is because everyone wants to be a vegan, but not everyone can.

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I can be a vegetarian if I wish but choose not to do so. I have drastically reduced my meat intake (for weight loss), but if I have to choose between a piece of beef or a carrot... I'll choose the beef.

So... no I don't want to be a vegetarian.

No one here is strictly a carnivore... we are omnivores, but you continue to glaze over that and instead move the goal posts to support your argument.

I'm sorry that drinking milk as a child traumatized you, but I like my cheese. Smile


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Still entertained! Smile


Like a car crash is entertaining Smile
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if I have to choose between a piece of beef or a carrot... I'll choose the beef.


That's your problem right there ... if your only option is carrot than yeah ... but interestingly enough, I don't eat carrots. What makes you think vegans survive on carrots??

Your mindset of being a vegan is all of the foods you like that you would give up, whereas my concept of vegan is all the amazingly awesome foods I've never seen or heard of before that I now get to enjoy.

You think of vegan as less options, while vegan should/could actually be more options.

How about my Paleo Roasted Pumpkin Ribs marinated with a delicious BBQ sauce cooked over a flame for several hours?? My food is really good. If you could choose from my menu or your menu, you would find many suitable options some of which you would easily prefer over your current meat options.

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If you go to the all-you-can-eat buffet and the only thing you can eat is the salad bar, well yeah ... who would want that?? Until there are vegan options on the buffet, you don't have a choice.

Unless you are willing to do what I do and stop eating out ... I cook virtually all my own food. And not everyone can do that.

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I don't season my meat with anything, I prefer its natural taste. Can't stand veg, at a push I'd eat chips but for me I'd rather have some chicken, beef and pork, unseadoned and with a load of gravy.

I've tried vegan food and it's disgusting.

Definitely don't want to be vegan
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I chose carrot because I chose beef. It's called being specific. Leaving it as meat/veggies seemed... lacking.

Yes I know there are several vegan dishes out there other than eating raw tubers.

I make a nice green bean, African Pumpkin (squash), and onion dish; though I do add real butter.

I have had a very nice black bean burger too; which was rather good, but not as good as beef.
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If you go to the all-you-can-eat buffet and the only thing you can eat is the salad bar, well yeah ... who would want that?? Until there are vegan options on the buffet, you don't have a choice.

Unless you are willing to do what I do and stop eating out ... I cook virtually all my own food. And not everyone can do that.

-JoeJoe



You keep throwing out the lack of options on menus. Since they are a business they are offering what sells; thought there are a lot more veggie friendly places popping up. One of my all time dishes is eggplant parmesan which I like better than the veal.

I rarely eat out and cook most of my food in an office while at work. (I work a lot).
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Until then, you don't know if you want to be vegan or not.

Your arrogance knows no bounds.

How dare you presume to know what I want or don't want?

JoeJoe: you're pathetic.
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if I have to choose between a piece of beef or a carrot... I'll choose the beef.

That's your problem right there ... if your only option is carrot than yeah ... but interestingly enough, I don't eat carrots. What makes you think vegans survive on carrots??

And that's your problem right there: you're acting incredibly stupid.
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Once again, as a lacto-ovo vegetarian for over 2 decades, I feel qualified to add input. Since I started eating meat again, my health and strength returned. I also just read that vegans are experiencing issues with hair loss which I never knew about. No problem for me, as I'm always "high and tight."

JoeJoe: Thank you again for feeding the homeless.

Finally, here's a cartoon I did about nerdy children fighting which reminds me slightly of this thread, i.e., no resolution.

Just switch 2 doctors with vegetarians and omnivores, and the children with adults. Enjoy:

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But... but... the title of... this thread?


If a meat eater had the option to eat a delicious vegetable, he would.

If a vegan had the option to eat a delicious piece of dead flesh, he would not.

Every meat eater eats vegetables, but no vegans eat meat.

Even if a vegan starts eating meat again, he still keeps eating vegetables.

Even if a meat eater doesn't eat vegetables, he still seasons his meat with vegetables.

Everyone is eating vegetables, but not everyone is eating dead animal.

That is because everyone wants to be a vegan, but not everyone can.

-JoeJoe


No, it means that we are aware that we are omnivores. We will eat meat and veggies together. If you, somehow, took meat away, we'd survive eating veggies. But as long as meat is available, we're going to enjoy it!

As far as vegans are concerned, they're constantly trying to find a good meat substitute.
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