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Is their conclusion unique to only the human genome or to all animals and/or life?

If they claim the pattern only shows up in the human genome, then they would have to account for why the human genome shares so much similarity with other presumably non-extra-terrestrial mammalian genomes.

If the claim is that all terrestrial life shows the same pattern, then that would be consistent with even a one-celled creature arriving from outer space and evolving as per Darwin into the rest of life, including humans; that is, rather than humans coming from outer space, it could have been just a cell.

Either way, that theory sounds pretty problematic.
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On Apr 2, 2019, ed rhodes wrote:
Their work to map the genome is phenomenal, they deserve full recognition for that. But their determination that this HAS to be an act of God is a philosophical conclusion on their part, and should not be taught as science. It would be as if the teacher were teaching about light refraction and chose to end with; "And we see from this that the rainbow is such a wonderful thing, that it must have been created by God!"

Understand, I am not agnostic or atheist, I believe in God, (Although not in a strict interpretation of the Bible.) But I don't think God (or a "creator,") should be taught in science class under the guise of; "theres no other way to explain it!"


They are not saying this is an act of God. They are simply saying that the artificiality that seem so apparent in the human genome can only be explained by tampering. Not by God but by a higher intelligence. We humans with only our limited few hundred year old knowledge can alter genes right now, we can create goats that produce spider milk. We can clone. They are simply suggesting that human genome has been messed with by an advanced civilization. Not a divine being.


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Is their conclusion unique to only the human genome or to all animals and/or life?

If they claim the pattern only shows up in the human genome, then they would have to account for why the human genome shares so much similarity with other presumably non-extra-terrestrial mammalian genomes.

If the claim is that all terrestrial life shows the same pattern, then that would be consistent with even a one-celled creature arriving from outer space and evolving as per Darwin into the rest of life, including humans; that is, rather than humans coming from outer space, it could have been just a cell.

Either way, that theory sounds pretty problematic.



It would make sense why the human genome would have so much similarity with other creatures on Earth. If I came to a planet and picked the most intelligent creature available at the time and tampered with it, it would still retain many many features and share similarities with others from that planet. Small changes may have big impact and consequences. Our physical bodies share 96% dna with Chimps but they are not writing poems and contemplating life, are they?
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I am having trouble understanding what your viewpoint is.

The fact that humans share much of the same DNA as other animals was my point. Exactly: small differences make big changes. Read my comments again. Since all animals share a lot of common DNA, how do you know that it wasn't a one-celled animal on Earth that eventually evolved, per Darwin, into humans rather than some extraterrestrial visit that put humans on Earth?

And the P-value you quoted of P <10-13 is impossible. I'm no statistician, but that was probably meant to be .10 to .13 as a P-value must be less than 1. But even so, that's far from what most statisticians call a significance level that would reject chance as an explanation.
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And the P-value you quoted of P <10-13 is impossible. I'm no statistician, but that was probably meant to be .10 to .13 as a P-value must be less than 1.

I suspect that he means 10^(−13) = 0.0000000000001.
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I suspect that he means 10^(−13) = 0.0000000000001.



By a totally staggering coincidence that is also the telephone number of an Islington flat where Landmark once went to a very good party and met a very nice girl whom he totally failed to get off with - she went off with a gatecrasher.
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I suspect that he means 10^(−13) = 0.0000000000001.

By a totally staggering coincidence that is also the telephone number of an Islington flat where Landmark once went to a very good party and met a very nice girl whom he totally failed to get off with - she went off with a gatecrasher.

That's so sad.
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For her, Bill, for her.
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For her, Bill, for her.

Um . . . yeah . . . that's what I meant.

Sorry . . . uh . . . if I didn't make that . . . er . . . clear.

I mean, y'know, like really clear.
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I am having trouble understanding what your viewpoint is.

The fact that humans share much of the same DNA as other animals was my point. Exactly: small differences make big changes. Read my comments again. Since all animals share a lot of common DNA, how do you know that it wasn't a one-celled animal on Earth that eventually evolved, per Darwin, into humans rather than some extraterrestrial visit that put humans on Earth?



My viewpoint, Let's see. I never stated that one celled life form didn't evolve into bipedal mammals. What is being said is that somewhere along the way, an advanced civilization came across one of those bipedal hairless apes and tampered with them and turned them into humans. Forget the experts who studied human genome. Forget numbers. What other proof does one need than our very own experience. There is no other contemporaries to human beings on Planet Earth. There is nothing like us. Our closest biological relatives have nothing on us. There is an ocean between us and them. Our biological bodies clearly belonged to Earth, our minds do not.
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So you are saying that:

a) it is specifically the human genome, and no other animal genome that shows the supposedly extraordinary intelligent pattern of DNA; therefore the "intelligent pattern" only shows up in those tiny parts of the human genome different from non-human primate genomes; and

b) the only explanation for that extra special tiny difference in genomes was because of an advanced civilization's tampering, visiting sometime after the evolution of the advanced primates.

c) No other proof is needed than our (your) very own experience.

Okay. I think you're pretty much an army of one with that assortment. Don't worry; be happy.
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So I'm confused. Are humans the only species they believe are intelligently designed? So all other life as it is known is pure accident?

Oh and as for what further proof is needed than our own experience I'd put forth "a lot" as my answer.

According to this standard Bigfoot and The Loch Ness monster live thrive and survive in our world. Certainly your standard of proof must be higher.
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So you are saying that:

b) the only explanation for that extra special tiny difference in genomes was because of an advanced civilization's tampering, visiting sometime after the evolution of the advanced primates.


Simply because there are no natural explanations for the artificiality. It can be explained by outside manipulation.

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Oh and as for what further proof is needed than our own experience I'd put forth "a lot" as my answer.



Do you have an explanation as to why human consciousness is so different than every other living creature on this Planet?
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Is it really different or is our ability to perceive it what differs?

Your explanation seems to amount to little more than "I don't understand, therfore aliens".

The absence of your ability to understand in no way proves another assertion.

What about the absolute lack of proof of advanced civilizations having been here? NONE that stands up to scrutiny.

Much the same way that not knowing how the universe was created proves a God theory, not knowing this in no way proves what you seem to think.

There were many things we did not understand but now do. Not understanding doesn't equate to aliens.

Lastly I do n not need to have an explanation to know another is incorrect.
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Do you have an explanation as to why human consciousness is so different than every other living creature on this Planet?


Yes. The same reason a virus is so different from an octopus (see Darwin, Charles).
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Is it really different or is our ability to perceive it what differs?

Your explanation seems to amount to little more than "I don't understand, therfore aliens".

The absence of your ability to understand in no way proves another assertion.

What about the absolute lack of proof of advanced civilizations having been here? NONE that stands up to scrutiny.

Much the same way that not knowing how the universe was created proves a God theory, not knowing this in no way proves what you seem to think.

There were many things we did not understand but now do. Not understanding doesn't equate to aliens.

Lastly I do n not need to have an explanation to know another is incorrect.


Do you understand? Can you point to any human being that understands human consciousness? or any school of thought or any working theory that seeks to explain the human consciousness? What about the absolute lack of proof that human consciousness resides within our biological bodies?


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Yes. The same reason a virus is so different from an octopus (see Darwin, Charles).


A virus is not conscious. A human being in a lab created a set of proteins that replicated itself that functionally and observationally could be categorized as viruses. An octopus is not conscious like a human being is. There is no evolutionary prescription for consciousness. You are strictly talking bodies. Of course there are different bodies and they all evolve to cater to the particular planet they find themselves in. The problem in our disconnect in this conversation is somehow you believe that your consciousness or "you" or whatever you perceive as you is inside your biological prison.
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Ok let me help. A lack of understanding in no way proves your point. It certainly does not lead to aliens.

So basically God is love. Love is blind. Ray Charles is blind. Ray Charles is God is your proof you choose to put forth.

And since weer lack proof that he isn't God he then must be.
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Ok let me help. A lack of understanding in no way proves your point. It certainly does not lead to aliens.

So basically God is love. Love is blind. Ray Charles is blind. Ray Charles is God is your proof you choose to put forth.

And since weer lack proof that he isn't God he then must be.


A lack of understanding from an objective reality view point. We keep looking at physical things trying to understand and observe non-physical things.

There is no indication anywhere that God is love.
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...Do you have an explanation as to why human consciousness is so different than every other living creature on this Planet?


Unless you are actually a Vulcan doing a mind melt I don't see how you can measure consciousness of non-human life.

As a test... I tried to read the consciousness of my puppet Behemoth... I sensed he had a left-handed mindset.
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