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As I understand it, she has a doctorate in psychology with her thesis being on "the psychology of eating meat". That is part of getting a doctorate, studying something and submitting a thesis.

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Yea but that as usual was not what you said. Plus it does not answer the question of where she got her doctorate.

But JoeJoe all her information came from BOOKS! Old ones most likely. How can you trust a single word she says?
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On Apr 26, 2019, Dannydoyle wrote:
Yea but that as usual was not what you said. Plus it does not answer the question of where she got her doctorate.


Well if you would quit being lazy and click the link you can hear her tell you in her own voice where she got her doctorate - duh. I'm not here to transcribe things for you, listen to what she has to say for yourself.

https://youtu.be/Wvm7xymgk_k

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On Apr 26, 2019, JoeJoe wrote: - duh. I'm not here to transcribe things for you,

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Well, since you are trying to prove the title of this thread (23 pages and counting) a quick link such as this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanie_Joy would be more persuasive than just constantly moving the goal posts... but that is just me.
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I agree with lots of post on this subject, especially this being a train wreck, interesting train wreck though. Dr. Joy is an interesting person swearing off meat after eating bad meat. She has her Master's in Education from Harvard and her Doctorate in Psychology from Saybrook Graduate School. She taught sociology and psychology at the University of Boston. Not knowing what specifically her doctorate is in, Saybrook has these fields: (Clinical Psychology, Ph.D.) (Psychology, Consciousness, Spirituality, and Integrative Health Specialization, Ph.D.) (Psychology, Creativity Studies Specialization, Ph.D.) (Psychology, Existential, Humanistic, and Transpersonal Psychology Specialization, Ph.D.) (Psychology, Ph.D.) (Psychology, Psychophysiology Specialization, Ph.D.)

Dr. Joy appears to have the intelligence and the drive from a life changing event. Good for her.
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"Her ideas influenced subsequent studies of what has come to be known as the "meat paradox"—the apparent inconsistency in common attitudes toward animals, wherein people may express affection towards some animals while eating others—and the cognitive dissonance it entails."

That's a really interesting idea. I think almost everyone has to come to terms with the cognitive dissonance in their lives in many different areas. Some people recognize it and change; some people recognize it and don't change; some people don't recognize it. I'm making no judgment here, just pointing out the different ways people deal with inconsistencies in their moral lives.

For example, I strongly believe that Amazon is an exploitative company, and that Jeff Bezos has way too much financial and political power. Yet I will not give up on buying from Amazon. So in that case, I recognize the cognitive dissonance, but refuse to change.
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"Her ideas influenced subsequent studies of what has come to be known as the "meat paradox"—the apparent inconsistency in common attitudes toward animals


I call it "butcher's choice" ... where people think they have a free and fair choice as to what they want to eat, but really the butcher has stacked the grocery store in his favor. "Pick a food - any food".



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Dr. Joy appears to have the intelligence and the drive from a life changing event. Good for her.
I got food poisoning from salad dressing in 1991... I thought I was going to die! (I still eat salad, and dressing)


I was vegetarian for eight years in Maryland, and when I moved to South Carolina the vegetarian options did not exist here, thus I went back to eating meat. After getting sick with crohn's disease five years ago I went vegan.

I can now eat without vomiting, I think that is a good thing. Smile



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How did vegetarian options not exist? There were no vegetables?
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I am glad for you that you can eat without vomiting. That is certainly a desired state of affairs. If I reached a condition where eating meat would make me vomit, I would probably go vegan as well. As I have not reached that point, I won't.
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How did vegetarian options not exist? There were no vegetables?


At that time, there were no vegan options in fast food places or restaurants; for example in Maryland "Subway" had veggie patties, but in South Carolina (hog country) they did not carry that product. And there was not a single "vegan meat" option in the frozen food department of any store at that time.

And I was living in a room with no kitchen and had to eat out all the time. If I had access to a kitchen, I would have had more options. Without options, you pretty much eat what is on the menu. "Pick a food - any food" ... the butcher knows you are going to pick an animal, it is the only option. After doing this for so long, we become "conditioned" to it.

Like I said before, if you go to the all-you-can-eat buffet, and the only thing you can eat is a small subset of the salad bar, you are going to end up eating meat ... you don't have a free choice. That is going to change. Smile

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How did vegetarian options not exist? There were no vegetables?


At that time, there were no vegan options in fast food places or restaurants; for example in Maryland "Subway" had veggie patties, but in South Carolina (hog country) they did not carry that product. And there was not a single "vegan meat" option in the frozen food department of any store at that time.

And I was living in a room with no kitchen and had to eat out all the time. If I had access to a kitchen, I would have had more options. Without options, you pretty much eat what is on the menu. "Pick a food - any food" ... the butcher knows you are going to pick an animal, it is the only option. After doing this for so long, we become "conditioned" to it.

Like I said before, if you go to the all-you-can-eat buffet, and the only thing you can eat is a small subset of the salad bar, you are going to end up eating meat ... you don't have a free choice. That is going to change. Smile

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Again, why would you want vegetable patties or vegan meat?
If plants are delicious and meat is nasty rotting death, why not just eat the plants?

Why make them resemble nasty rotting death?
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If plants are delicious and meat is nasty rotting death, why not just eat the plants?

Why make them resemble nasty rotting death?


And again ... I don't. Quit asking the same question expecting a different answer.

What I ate today: kumquats from a tree, a few raw coffee beans, banana-strawberry smoothie, and a pot of rice and potatoes. I don't even own a refrigerator ... I don't eat any frozen or refrigerated food what-so-ever. And I can't even recall the last time I ate from a restaurant. Smile

The reason they are making the Impossible Burger resemble meat is so that people like you will eat it ... not people like me (duh). This is a product that is sold in the "meat" isle, not the "vegan" isle.

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Why would I eat artificial meat?
I love vegetables. If I want to eat vegetables, I eat vegetables. If I want to eat meat, I eat meat.
So let me get this straight.
It is your opinion that restaurants offer veggie burgers for meat eaters?
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It is your opinion that restaurants offer veggie burgers for meat eaters?


It is my opinion that restaurants offer "food" for people to eat.

You keep wanting to make it "us verses them", no ... all people want good food to eat.

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On Apr 27, 2019, JoeJoe wrote:
It is my opinion that restaurants offer "food" for people to eat.


I agree, let the market decide.



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On Apr 27, 2019, JoeJoe wrote:You keep wanting to make it "us verses them", no ... all people want good food to eat.

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Once again... not what the title of this thread implies.
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If a restaurant wants to offer vegan options great. If they don't have them you can't force them to other than with the market. Your ridiculously militant views on food are not law thank God.
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I've been reading this thread since the beginning, but I've resisted commenting until now.

JoeJoe, I'd love to live on a meat isle.

Can you please tell me where that isle is?

An island that specializes in meat sounds great to me!

Where the heck do you get raw coffee beans?

And then you actually eat them?

Why?

What nutritional value do you get out of them?

I guess that, in addition to not owning a refrigerator, you also don't own a stove or coffee pot.

Sounds to me like you live a very minimal lifestyle and live off the land.

You probably don't have or use money, and trade beads and folk art for the things that you absolutely need.

I have to figure that your wife eats exactly the same way as you do.

Oh no, let me guess- there hasn't been a companion in your life for quite some time, has there?

I have psychic abilities, after all.

I looked it up, and my sources claim that more people get sick from eating vegetables and fruit than get sick from eating meat.

But I'm sure that you could find sources that would say that more people get sick from eating meat.

And it's not an opinion of yours that restaurants offer "food" for people to eat- it's a fact!

And "food" shouldn't be in quotes, unless you're referring to veggie "burgers"

Then you can use quotes.

A vegan restaurant in Australia that treated men like second class citizens just went out of business.

The market place decided it for them, despite their good intentions.

Despite what you say, your photo sure doesn't make you look like a very healthy guy.

You look rather ill to me.

But what do I know?

I don't think that you've convinced a single person here that every meat eater wants to be a vegan, and you sure as heck haven't proven it.

But don't worry, JoeJoe, I'm sure that AOC is looking to legislate making meat consumption illegal.

PS- Everyone here has been pretty nice to you, but I'll come right out and say it- you're a freaking nut job.
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We were doing so well (though not very productive) in this thread without anyone adding personal attacks.

Perhaps you should have continued resisting...
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We were doing so well (though not very productive) in this thread without anyone adding personal attacks.


What are you talking about?? I think this is, has been, and will continue to be a productive thread.

I've planted seeds ... seeds take time to grow. It took twenty-years for me to go from eating meat to becoming vegan, I don't expect anyone here to become vegan today or even tomorrow.

The garden has taught me "patience". Smile

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