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Hi Jonathan, I am not sure what you are trying to express here. What I took away from it was the obvious idea that scientific measurements are only as good as the tools available of the day. I would not accuse Cavendish of fraud. I would accuse him of doing excellent work with his limited means and equipment.

The other thought I had after reading your post was that science needs constant refinement. Every scientist knows that if they publish an important work, that someone may improve on it later. Some scientists know they are limited NOW and hope for improvement later, publishing what they can with what they have. ie. Einstein theorized the laser. He even won the Nobel prize for his work. The laser was invented six years after his death. He would have been proud.
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There's a chasm between doing science and narrating science. If you wish to be entertained... enjoy the Jerry Springer show. There's not much easy listening between the simple sounding ideas and the very difficult work to find out if the words best describe what is.

Einstein suggested the starlight deflection measurement. Same guy who struggled through abstracting a matter tensor and equating that to a space-time metric.. Same guy whose letters put the uncertainty cat in the box... and who struggled to accept that the information in a photon pair is one thing even when the photons are far apart

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Yes Ron this is true. But it does mean that simply holding science itself to a standard should never result in being called names like denier should it?


......... Some people deny that the Earth is flat. ..................

These people are all "deniers", plain and simple. They do not deserve "equal time" in scientific circles because there are no "two sides" to these issues. Some things are known to such a high degree of certainty that to deny them would be absurd.


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Uhhhhhh, I deny that the world is flat, Ron.

What does that make me that I deny it and you that you believe it?
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You reached back six days to cherry-pick THAT? Smile

Well, at least you know what a lead balloon sounds like.
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On Jun 15, 2018, R.S. wrote:

......... Some people deny that the Earth is flat. ..................

These people are all "deniers", plain and simple. They do not deserve "equal time" in scientific circles because there are no "two sides" to these issues. Some things are known to such a high degree of certainty that to deny them would be absurd.


Ron


Uhhhhhh, I deny that the world is flat, Ron.

What does that make me that I deny it and you that you believe it?



Smile Good catch Jack. I can't believe I missed that.
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"18 spectacularly wrong predictions made around the time of first Earth Day in 1970, expect more this year"

http://www.aei.org/publication/18-specta......is-year/


I was going to copy some of the terrible predictions made in the article but I actually found the final prediction the most interesting and likely the only one that actually will come true.

"What will Earth look like when Earth Day 60 rolls around in 2030? Bailey predicts a much cleaner, and much richer future world, with less hunger and malnutrition, less poverty, and longer life expectancy, and with lower mineral and metal prices. But he makes one final prediction about Earth Day 2030: “There will be a disproportionately influential group of doomsters predicting that the future–and the present–never looked so bleak.” In other words, the hype, hysteria and spectacularly wrong apocalyptic predictions will continue, promoted by the “environmental grievance hustlers.”"
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You reached back six days to cherry-pick THAT? Smile

Well, at least you know what a lead balloon sounds like.


Hey, I just started reading this thread today, OK?

And so what if I didn't.

At least I started from the beginning and read the whole thing.

You know, I'm really stunned that Ron believes that the world is flat.

I know who the knuckleheads are around here, Twister.

That's why I don't come down here too often.
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On Jun 15, 2018, R.S. wrote:
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On Jun 14, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote:
Yes Ron this is true. But it does mean that simply holding science itself to a standard should never result in being called names like denier should it?


......... Some people deny that the Earth is flat. ..................

These people are all "deniers", plain and simple. They do not deserve "equal time" in scientific circles because there are no "two sides" to these issues. Some things are known to such a high degree of certainty that to deny them would be absurd.


Ron


Uhhhhhh, I deny that the world is flat, Ron.

What does that make me that I deny it and you that you believe it?


Thanks Jack. Yeah I misstated that. I was thinking of the "flat-Earthers" when I wrote that. But what I meant to type was, "Some people deny that the Earth is ROUND". I'm pretty sure people understood it from the context though. Smile

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On Jun 21, 2018, Jack Straw wrote:
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On Jun 15, 2018, R.S. wrote:

......... Some people deny that the Earth is flat. ..................

These people are all "deniers", plain and simple. They do not deserve "equal time" in scientific circles because there are no "two sides" to these issues. Some things are known to such a high degree of certainty that to deny them would be absurd.


Ron


Uhhhhhh, I deny that the world is flat, Ron.

What does that make me that I deny it and you that you believe it?



Smile Good catch Jack. I can't believe I missed that.


SEE!!!??? Proves my point. So apparently you knew from the context of a "flat-Earthers" discussion that I was referring to those who deny a ROUND Earth. But you didn't catch it either. Anyway, my point in that post is made.


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Rockwall, do you deny that AGW is occurring?

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AGW, as in Arrogant Griefer Whines, is a happening thing.

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IMO, the thread title should be psychologist behaving badly. There are a lot of good reasons why psychology is not a real science. Several are listed in this article:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/......e-debate

A few excerpts:

"The reason many are rightfully skeptical about its status is found in the body of scientific knowledge—psychology has failed to produce a cumulative body of knowledge that has a clear conceptual core that is consensually agreed upon by mainstream psychological experts."

"Psychology completely lacks agreement from the experts about what it is and what it is about, what its foundational theories or even frameworks are, what its key findings are, and how it fits with the rest of the body of scientific knowledge. The fact that psychology has been around now for almost a 150 years and remains pre-paradigmatic is undeniably a very serious threat to the field's status as a real science."

"[A] key feature of real scientific knowledge is that there is a clear, consensual center that provides a foothold to describe how (portions of) the world actually work. And it is here that psychology falls down in ways that physics, chemistry and biology do not. And it is in that sense that psychology is not a real science."

The superstar (now disgraced) psychologist Diederik Alexander Stapel wrote a nice book about his own massive frauds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diederik_Stapel

It is freely available here (this goes to a pdf):

http://nick.brown.free.fr/stapel/


What's your thoughts on clinical psychologist Jordan Peterson, balducci?

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I finally broke down and listened to one of Peterson's videos.

Zero humor. I could never trust such a man.
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What's your thoughts on clinical psychologist Jordan Peterson, balducci?

Kam


I haven't paid much attention to him, so I really don't have much of an opinion at all.
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Is there an understood performing art of incitement? Measuring responses in tee shirt sales and angry tweets?
Yes folks, psychology is a science.

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