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One of my top 5 authors.

I wouldn't want to be his next door neighbor, but he sure wrote some great stuff.
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Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down
And dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down
Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light
One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving much too slow
We can share the women, we can share the wine
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I'm shocked by an irony that last week I re-read "I Have No mouth and I Must Scream". A very creepy, yet excellent story that predates the Terminator idea by many decades. He must have died very close to the time I was reading. Lynn
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Many years ago that one spooked me too, Lynne.

It also had an adverse effect on my sister, who only started reading it because the title intrigued her.

Glad to see that you know his work!
Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down
And dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down
Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light
One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving much too slow
We can share the women, we can share the wine
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I believe it was Ellison who originally said something like: if you appear to make them think, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
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On Jun 29, 2018, landmark wrote:
I believe it was Ellison who originally said something like: if you appear to make them think, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.


He quoted the Don Marquis line and followed with "And rearrange your limbs in death." (The Harlan Ellison Hornbook, Appendix D, 1986 about Lenny Bruce)
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Thanks for the correct cite on that, Jon.
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He had a lot of great quotes, both in his books and in his personal dealings with people.

Like these:

"You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant."

"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity."

"The world is turning into a cesspool of imbeciles."

"In these days of widespread illiteracy, functional illiteracy... anything that keeps people stupid is a felony."

"I will use big words from time to time, the meanings of which I may only vaguely perceive, in hopes such cupidity will send you scampering to your dictionary: I will call such behavior 'public service'."

"They minute people fall in love they become liars."

"To say more is to say less."

"If you put your hand in my pocket, you'll drag back six inches of bloody stump."

"I never met a man I didn't like. I don't go out much."

"Of all liars, the smoothest and most convincing is memory"

"Then he said the truest thing about their relationship. He said, "We didn't really fall in love. What we did was collide at the intersection of your life and mine."

"I hate when a director says to me 'Here's how I envision this scene'...excuse me? It's right here in the script - I 'envisioned' it FOR you. Do what I wrote. If you want to 'envision', you should become a writer. Where the f... were you when the page was blank?"

"The mistake we all make is in assuming anybody remembers anydamnthing from one day to the next. If that were true, we'd stop getting involved with approximately the same kind of wrong lover each time, we'd learn the lessons of history, the death penalty would discourage those plotting murder, and George Santayana's famous quote would be about as popular as "the bee's knees." But few of us keep accurate records of what we've learned as we hobble through life barking our shins in the dark on experiences we've already had...."
Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down
And dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down
Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light
One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving much too slow
We can share the women, we can share the wine
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Speaking of the Terminator idea (robots killing humans), I read that he did sue over that. But the article didn't say how the suit turned out. Anyone know? Lynn
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On Jun 28, 2018, lynnef wrote:
I'm shocked by an irony that last week I re-read "I Have No mouth and I Must Scream". A very creepy, yet excellent story that predates the Terminator idea by many decades. He must have died very close to the time I was reading. Lynn


The two episodes he wrote for TV's THE OUTER LIMITS ("Soldier" and "Demon With A Glass Hand") contain elements that later turned up in THE TERMINATOR. I seem to recall Ellison sued director James Cameron over it.
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They settled. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldier_from_Tomorrow

Other stories of his were presented on TV - including https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_with_a_Glass_Hand

The Star Trek episode was later re-presented in comic book form with an author's cameo. https://www.idwpublishing.com/star-trek-......arrived/

:) Babylon 5?
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I believe that it was settled out of court for an undisclosed sum of money, but I could be wrong.

There was also an "acknowledgement" given to Harlan in a Terminator sequel.

He definitely liked to sue.

Like I quoted above, "If you put your hand in my pocket, you'll drag back 6 inches of bloody stump".



Edited after I posted:

Well, Jonathan beat me to it while I was writing, but I won't erase my post
Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down
And dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down
Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light
One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving much too slow
We can share the women, we can share the wine
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Harlan (sort of) wrote my favorite Classic Trek episode, "City on the Edge of Forever". He was not pleased with the way it turned out.

I met him once. It did not go well. LOL

-Mary Mowder
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But yet that episode of Star Trek is widely regarded as one of the best of the series.

I'd be curious to hear your anecdote about your meeting with him.

I'm sure it was very interesting.

I would have thought that he would have been enthralled with you!

He sure was a combative, no BS man.
Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down
And dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down
Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light
One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving much too slow
We can share the women, we can share the wine
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On Jun 29, 2018, Mary Mowder wrote:

I met him once. It did not go well. LOL

-Mary Mowder


Classic Harlan. Smile
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There was another, non-Ellison OUTER LIMITS episode ("The Man Who Was Never Born") which also had many of the same or similar elements (time traveler from a ruined future Earth journeys back into our present in order to kill, or prevent the birth of, the individual who was [who will/would be?] responsible for Earth's ruin).

But its author seems not to have pursued legal action against TERMINATOR (that I'm aware of, anyway).
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"There's no time to lose," I heard her say.
"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
Ain't life unkind?"
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I knew him. I met him. He was a pussycat, wrapped up in barbed wire. I’m going to miss him.


I only wrote that, Ed, because nobody had responded after 5 hours, the thread only had about 4 views that weren't mine, and it was still early on the East coast.


Thankfully, I was wrong.
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Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light
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I just hadn't seen the thread or I would have responded earlier.

1980 - Summer. I'm still working in the Mailroom of Marvel Comics (I just got a book on the history of Marvel Comics and I hadn't realized what a disaster was going on at the time!)

My wife was carrying our first child, Lauren, who would be born in November. At that time, she was just very pregnant.

I had somehow gotten an invite to a Batman birthday party. (I don't know what they were thinking at DC at the time, they had a "Batman" model wearing a SATIN outfit that looked like it was PADDED!) Dotti, myself and a friend who worked with me at Marvel who I'll call "Monica."

I got in line to get sodas for Dotti and myself. Harlan comes in at the other side, apparently not realizing there was a line, and orders a drink. the bartender and the people in line got annoyed at his crashing the line and weren't shy about expressing it. Harlan just shrugged and said; "Whatever! I need to find a woman, anyway"

I get my drinks and bring Dotti hers, I mention that I saw Harlan and told her about his comment of needing to "find a woman." She said she HAD to find him after that and we located him in the center of the room. I was on one side and Dotti was across the crowd from me. (I'm still not sure how that worked out.)

Dotti, standing behind a couple of people, calls out; "Harlan, I understand you're looking for a woman!" Harlan sputtered; "Oh, thanks. I managed to find one. But you would certainly have made the list!" "Well," responds my wife, "it might have been a problem anyway." She steps through the crowd and Harlan sees she's VERY pregnant! "Um, is there a father for this?" "Oh, yeah. He's standing right behind you." Harlan whips around and sees me smirking behind him. "Oh my god! She's offering me her body, he's standing behind me, laughing. Comic book fans are weird!" He stomps off.

The story doesn't end there.

The party was in the small ballroom of the hotel and was way overcrowded. Dotti was getting overheated and we went out of the ballroom into the hallway. Down the hall was the LARGE ballroom and I saw it was empty, standing next to the door, I could feel the airconditioning in the room. I called Dotti over and we stood in the doorway, holding the door open just a bit and feeling the cool air.


"Hey, are you all right?" Harlan came over with "Monica" and another friend whose name escapes me at the moment.


"Oh yeah, Dotti was getting overheated and the air conditioning is on in there."


"Well, what are we doing out here?" Harlan sweeps all of us into the room and we have our own little party for about half an hour.


I was impressed by Harlan's showing concern for my wife. But there WAS a "Harlan moment."


My friend "Monica" used to tell everyone everything she knew about medical conditions. She'd already gotten into trouble with me for going into graphic detail about epessotomies (I'm misspelling that) where the woman in labor's uterus is cut to aid the baby's exit. Dotti had called me a couple of weeks ago crying that "Monica" had told her they were going to have to RIP her uterus to get the baby out and Dotti was terrified (point, she had a two inch incision during labor and barely noticied it.)

At this point, she had undergone an operation and was on crutches. The unremembered friend made the mistake of asking why she was on crutches and she went into gory graphic detail about what had been done to her leg. We were all turning a little green and finally Harlan spoke up and said; "Nobody cares 'Monica,' suffer your pains in silence!"


I'm changing her name because we stop being friends after she tried to convince my mother that she HAD to be illegitimate since she had brown eyes and both of her parents had blue. (True or not, it was out of line)
"There's no time to lose," I heard her say.
"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
Ain't life unkind?"
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Today he would be vilified for his actions.

Not so much back then.

"Monica" seemed like a perfect match for his personality!

Thanks for letting us know.

There must be hundreds, if not thousands, of Ellison stories.

He certainly did make quite a number of public appearances.
Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down
And dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down
Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light
One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving much too slow
We can share the women, we can share the wine
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