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This is a modern classic that I love to perform for corporate, with a very different theme, message and approach.

I've always used the long stick, but I really want to have something that packs a bit smaller.

I stumbled across this video of Justin Willman performing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKiQ7uNWias&t=63s

Does anyone know if this method is written up in a book anywhere, or available to buy? I just haven't seen it before. I don't want to copy, and have my own presentation already, just want to know if anyone knows if this particular handling is out there, and can I buy a book or the prop?

any help appreciated on this thread or in pm. Thanks in advance!
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I sent a PM.
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I enjoy the plot as well. Rob Zabrecky does a great version.

Willman's version in this video packs small which is nice and there's something fun about the initial unfurling. The handling beyond that point is a bit messy though as he has to awkwardly fiddle to remove the chosen card. I think that with some simple audience management he could have the spectator (Jason) hold the prop up while still concealing the backs and freeing himself to remove the selection much more smoothly.

Willman's fiddling might lead the audience to a rather simple solution. Zabrecky's is cleaner and more deceptive IMO. The cards themselves are more exposed, handled more cleanly in close proximity to the spectator, and thus inconspicuous.

I am curious whether both Willman and Zabrecky developed their own methods and where the trick originates. It's something I would consider doing as part of a show. It's quick, funny, and makes for a good MC bit or bit of fun when welcoming a spectator on stage.
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On Jul 26, 2018, robvh wrote:
I am curious whether both Willman and Zabrecky developed their own methods and where the trick originates.


The closeup original is Andy Nyman's Diceman.

That prompted Tom Stone's stage version, Of Dice And Men, in his book Maelstrom.
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I anyone is interested I have the special something needed for this including matching non gimmicked.

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I don't get the anal part (I didn't listen to the sound). I think the effect (and the way I do it) is BEST performed with the stick and I use velcro to hold the cards on. No problemo.
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John C:

Justin's routine and choice of words fits HIS usual college age, party-drinking, 'hip' audiences....its NOT for everybody.

The crowd "got it", and loved it.

In fact, many might say that it's not as morbid as is the standard "Kill Kill Kill" wording.

You'll have to ask someone younger (or street-wise) to explain the "Anal" part...I'm certainly not going to discuss that here. Smile
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This version is more compact but uses a stooge. Notice how he asks for help and another person responds ahead of his stooge. I prefer the die and for anyone looking I have some of these. I had them custom made to match my RD.

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John C:

Justin's routine and choice of words fits HIS usual college age, party-drinking, 'hip' audiences....its NOT for everybody.

The crowd "got it", and loved it.

In fact, many might say that it's not as morbid as is the standard "Kill Kill Kill" wording.

You'll have to ask someone younger (or street-wise) to explain the "Anal" part...I'm certainly not going to discuss that here. Smile


I'm not trying to understand it. I don't care. If it works for him, God bless him.

I do what works for me as most performers should learn to do. Do what works for them and for who they are.

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This version is more compact but uses a stooge. Notice how he asks for help and another person responds ahead of his stooge. I prefer the die and for anyone looking I have some of these. I had them custom made to match my RD.

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You’re wrong. No stooge. Any number can be called.
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This version is more compact but uses a stooge. Notice how he asks for help and another person responds ahead of his stooge. I prefer the die and for anyone looking I have some of these. I had them custom made to match my RD.

Jeff


I thought a stooge at first as well for the exact same reason. If you watch carefully though you can see when he's up to no good so definitely not a stooge. A nice version of a fun plot.
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I never use a stooge. They almost always pick four.
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On Aug 1, 2018, MagicalEducator wrote:
This version is more compact but uses a stooge. Notice how he asks for help and another person responds ahead of his stooge. I prefer the die and for anyone looking I have some of these. I had them custom made to match my RD.

Jeff


You’re wrong. No stooge. Any number can be called.


I'm still of the belief that it's a stooge. To do anything else would take a simple trick and make it unnecessarily complex. The usual method being a f**c*. Tom stone talks about all of this in his book. I use two plastic clips from a report cover. Each of the cards are held in place by bulldog clips with the wire pieces removed. Makes it half sized to the usual.

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Justin doesn’t use a stooge, but one of the alternatives mentioned in my book.
The final version is still best. Nothing that can snag ot tear, and if you need to make a custom version (like in another language) it can be done in five minutes. I have now sets made up in eight languages.

Btw, Vanishing Inc just released it here: https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic/......and-men/ (with cards that are nearly indestructible!)
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On Jul 29, 2018, John C wrote:
I don't get the anal part (I didn't listen to the sound). I think the effect (and the way I do it) is BEST performed with the stick and I use velcro to hold the cards on. No problemo.



Until I got to 'and I use velcro to hold the cards on', I wasn't sure where this response was going.
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Same here! It took me until I reached...cards on. I am a little slow!
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On Aug 22, 2018, TStone wrote:
Justin doesn’t use a stooge, but one of the alternatives mentioned in my book.


Which book? Would be interested in reading a few different variants.
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On Sep 11, 2018, Olympic Adam wrote:
Which book? Would be interested in reading a few different variants.


It's like nobody reads the posts sometimes...


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On Jul 26, 2018, Tim Cavendish wrote:
The closeup original is Andy Nyman's Diceman.

That prompted Tom Stone's stage version, Of Dice And Men, in his book Maelstrom.
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There's only one version in there as far as I've read so far, the first effect. Hence asking. ACTUALLY!!!111
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There's only one version in there as far as I've read so far, the first effect. Hence asking. ACTUALLY!!!111

Oh, I see the issue now. Let me help:

you: "Hey guys, I've read through Maelstrom, and I only see one version. What page are the other ideas on? Thanks!"

see, now it seems like you read the posts.
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