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mikenewman Inner circle Kent Island, Maryland 1114 Posts |
Oh, I totally believe you now for sure... I had no idea.
Well, his policies on his website say it can take up to 12 weeks!!! What?? 12 weeks, that's absurd!!! He said they shipped 2 Tuesdays away. Even First Class would have been here by now for sure. Obviously he scammed me. I guess I am not looking forward to receiving it anyways, since daffydoug is saying they're just keyrings. ughh |
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RNK Inner circle 7492 Posts |
I have been waiting over 1 year for my stuff, lol! Not to mention, he lives 4 minutes from the post office!!!!! He tried that lie to me, that he lives far from the post office. LIE! Just a scumbag IMO. He offered $40.00 credit for his store, but I had to "PAY" for the stuff first THEN he would reimburse me. LOL. Right, after stiffing me 3 times (which I kept giving him chances because I truly love his magic) I knew there would be no reimbursement.
He always talks tough and says he would love to meet some of his critics in the streets......I am at the point now that I think that would be a lot fun. But, honestly, no reason to waste my time on a scumbag that just scams people. He will never change. Well Mike, at least you got the download for the moves....
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
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On Aug 6, 2018, mikenewman wrote: That's true. Key rings panted red. Seems to be spray paint, but it's already chipping. Heck, I have spray paint around the house, and I can do it myself and make it any color I desire. But I was expecting a ring made of a plastic or lucite or something. The photo in his add makes it difficult to tell that it is key rings. The way it is photographed they seem to be thicker. Now upon closer examination of the photo I can see that it's key rings. Not that there is anything wrong with key rings...I have Sankey's routine where key rings link. In that context it makes sense to use them. But for a ring off lace routine that I would like to also wear around my neck, I would prefer something with more eye appeal. A thick, hard, solid ring. As I said, I'm through ordering from Justin. No more.
The difficult must become easy, the easy beautiful and the beautiful magical.
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mantel Special user 922 Posts |
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On Oct 12, 2017 Magicalos wrote: Sad to see he's done a similar thing before. If I spent $40.00 for four spray painted key rings and a video I would be extremely upset. Anyhow daffydoug is Justin's instructional video any good? |
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jaizon Inner circle By time you read this I will have 1552 Posts |
Who cares? He's a maggot.
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mikenewman Inner circle Kent Island, Maryland 1114 Posts |
I paid him $10.
I just posted on Instagram that I want my money back. And I filed a claim through PayPal. He said he mailed it 3 weeks ago. We all know that’s total BS. This truly irks me in that he’s promoting and selling more stuff. So more people will get ripped off. I guess he comes through for some, and cheats other’s at random. Never again for me. That’s for sure. |
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RNK Inner circle 7492 Posts |
That is exactly what he does, comes through for some but not for a lot of others!
I did win a paypal claim against him before. Then as I stated before gave him another chance. After all that, I even told JM that I would like to order again from him because I really like his magic. He said, Oh man! Thanks! I promise I will not let you down again! Well, he got me again even after he said all that! It just blows my mind how people don't have a conscience and could careless what they do to others. Sad. JM is a SAD PIECE OF EXCREMENT.
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
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On Aug 9, 2018, mantel wrote: To be honest, I've been so busy working on the moves from Sankey's "Devil's Tail," that I have not had time to check it out.
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RNK Inner circle 7492 Posts |
I bet it is good. JM is very capable and explains everything well. I will give credit where credit is due. That is why I gave him more chances. Sometimes the gimmicks and items that were supplied were a little cheap, however his magic and ideas were great. His card magic is also great. He is a very talented person. But his talents not only include a great brain to think out of the box but a devious brain to scam people.
RNK
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
That's sad!!
I'm done with him, no matter how enticing the effect is. Years ago I read a book by a certain Joe Gerard, at that time the world's greatest car salesman. I think it was titled "How To Sell Anything To Anybody." In one chapter he talks about "Gerard's Law Of 50." It is pretty much about good ol' word of mouth. He explains that how you treat customers will either come back to bless you or to bite you. (my paraphrase.) We like to call it karma. Anyway, he says that you can assume that each customer knows at least 50 other people that he will talk to and spread the word about your business ethics. AND each of THOSE fifty people will know at least fifty others who will each know fifty others...you get the idea. Do the math. Your customer service will create exponential word of mouth either for your profit or your detriment. It PAYS to treat your customers right!
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mikenewman Inner circle Kent Island, Maryland 1114 Posts |
I filed a complaint with PayPal.
They refunded my money. Of course the item never came. Even though he said he sent it. And called me impatient. And blocked me on Instagram and email. |
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Jack Straw Inner circle Wichita 1020 Posts |
Glad to hear it, Mike, you impatient ingrate!
Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down
And dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving much too slow We can share the women, we can share the wine |
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agostonp New user 6 Posts |
I ordered his Biography, Flight, Smoke rings, for the first too, I received nothing. No gimmick, no, download. For over a YEAR now, or more. Of course he always had a reason, why I need to wait more. Later I realized he uses the "one behind" principle in business. He sells effects even before he has them. (Recorded.)
For Smoke Rings I received the download, but not the ring, but as I read I did not loose much with that. Now I purchased Poor Mans Coin Box, the download was promised to be delivered on 7th of January, I received nothing so far. I sent email, no response. (In the old good times he at least tried to throw some lies to me, that I just need to be more patient.) This was the last time I ordered anything from him. There was also a case, when I purchased something, and I got some "bonus videos" but not the effect I payed for. And he behaved liked this was cool, I should be grateful because I received cool other materials. (Which I didn't ask for at all. Like a webshop working like a "pig in a poke" would be normal.) Many times he made me feel like I was a piece of ****, because I wanted what I payed for. It was a nice step for him to break with the big magic dealers, because now he can rob poor naive magicians who still believe his name. I really didn't want to beleive that I am the only one who always fail with him, so now that I found this thread "I'm glad", that I'm not the only one, who think this is abnormal. I hope more and more people will read this thread and realize the true side of the "famous Justin Miller". It's a shame because I still consider him as a great magic creator. But that does not worth a penny with this personality behind. |
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Magicalos Special user 557 Posts |
There have been so many posts about what a bad business person he is. It's amazing and unfortunate (for the buyers) how he still generates sales.
maybe as a community we can ban together and blackball this turd https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/arre......ians.png he has proven time and time again he cannot be trusted - just stop buying his products!!!! even though '$18923984723894723 worth of magic for $20' sounds enticing you are just going to get scammed one way or another. PLEASE just stop supporting him and maybe he will go away or find some other interest/hobby to defecate on |
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drjohn Loyal user 210 Posts |
I know this is an old thread but Justin has screwed me over and I'm utterly shocked by the HORRENDOUS things hes done....ive had SO many messages calling him a P.O.S and a scum bag and conman.....in my case I ordered a coin set and it never arrived....id forgotten and it had been four months....he fobbed me off with two downloads and then after very pleasant conversation he posted HORRENDOUS bile on my facebook wall in a thread that didn't involve him and its was so nasty!!! it was a totally unrelated thread about how id had the COVID vaccine and how I thought it was a really good idea and that I was proud to have it. He posted such bile I was taken a back and he blocked me so now I cant contact him to get my money back.....ive had no less than 20 private messages from magicians he as !@#$ed over and its frankly scary.....his business practices range from taking peoples money and then blocking them to amazingly selling ANOTHER persons wallet many times over and then telling the customers to contact the person who made the wallet to get theres.....and that person had NO IDEA he was selling them?....and they never received a penny. How can a person like this be allowed to sell anything at all? IMO Justin Miller is an absolute piece of garbage....hell I hear he lived with Chris kenner for a while and was kicked out for stealing from him. We as a community should not be putting up with this..... hes currently selling coin sets for $500 and hes sold 20 already.....lets hope they actually receive it!
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magicnorm Special user 509 Posts |
Would be interesting to hear if anyone receives the coin sets, they look pretty interesting and seem to be Roy Kueppers coin gimmicks perhaps, Does anyone have a positive experience with JM,
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ArtIn Inner circle 1693 Posts |
I wouldn’t take the risk ordering from him!
Sorry to hear about your terrible experience but thank you for taking care of us. |
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Dutchie New user 94 Posts |
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On Mar 21, 2021, magicnorm wrote: His crack dealer and local liquor store owners speak very highly of him. |
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MR Effecto Inner circle 2836 Posts |
I would never buy from him. He definitely has little *** issues.
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RNK Inner circle 7492 Posts |
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On Mar 21, 2021, magicnorm wrote: Probably very few to none.
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