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On Dec 10, 2018, Dapperdan wrote:
To help the coins drop, make sure they are spread such that the "top coin" is against your finger tips and the "bottom coin" is against the bucket. In other words, your finger tips should be touching the entire coin of the next one to drop. This gives you more control than if it were reversed. (Not sure I'm explaining that well... can someone that understands what I mean clarify at all? Smile )



Actually, there are two schools of thought on how the coins should be stacked when held against the inside of the bucket. I found both approaches in Bobo's New Modern Coin Magic. The Glenn Harrison routine, illustrated on page 323 of my copy, shows the coins flipped downward, that is, the full surface of the top most coin is visible, but it then overlaps the next coin so that only the edge of that coin is visible, and the same is true of the rest of the coins in the stack--only the edges are visible. As I recall, this flipped down stack is the one Chris Capehart uses. It does make it easy to release a stream of coins in quick succession as Chris does when all the kids start throwing invisible coins toward the bucket and you here them landing fast but separately in the bucket. The 2nd approach is used in the Charles Earl Miller's routine described in Bobo on p. 433. Here, the coins are flipped up, with the full surface of the bottom most coin exposed. This is the approach I believe Dapperdan is describing. When I started doing Miser's Dream, I learned my routine using the flipped up stack too. Then, later, when I decided to add Chris Capehart's bit where the whole roomful of kids throws the coins in the bucket, I learned to use the flipped down version as well, but only for this one move. I'm so used to using the flipped-up version, though, I was never able to unlearn using it in the first half of my routine--so I use both approaches in the same routine. I don't recommend doing this, it's just how things worked out for me. But should know there are 2 approaches, and probably are worth experimenting with.
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Has anyone tried a noise damper in the bottom of the bucket? I sometimes feel the clang is too loud for small shows..
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Maybe you're using too many coins! The first thing that I learned when doing the MD 15 times a day when I "broke in the biz" in a carnival side show, was to rehash the coins.

I use FIVE IKE DOLLARS, and when I finish the routine and send the kids back to their seats, I can re set the coins for the next show.

I wrote up the complete Misers Dream routine in my book,

Tricky Ricky LIKED my golf ball routine and my 20th Century Silks, too! (See my post above on 8/20/18.)
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On Oct 7, 2019, Dick Oslund wrote:


I wrote up the complete Misers Dream routine in my book,



Which book?
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I wrote up the complete Misers Dream routine in my book,



Which book?

The Road Scholar...worth every penny!
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Everyone should own Dick Oslund (The Road Scholar book and DVD ) All I can say is WOW!
Actually, I like every routine in the book. It took years of performances to honed them o perfection. His Misers Dream for kids is right up there as one of the best I'd ever seen.
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I love the Mikame Miser's dream gimmick.
The coins are great. the gimmick is great and can be removed at any time during the routine leaving the bucket totally fair.
I remember those selling out in a flash.

I start my routine by picking up an upside down bucket (mouth down) "proving" it is completely empty.
after proving I'm "amazing" several times, I pull a coin out of the bucket, put it in my pocket, and at that point .. all is fair.

very sneaky and very perfect.

so great.

the mikame gimmick is the best thing ever. works great with mikame coins or standard half dollars.
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Sorry! I MUST DISAGREE!

I learned the MD with an UNginmmcked coffee can, I was 13. I did it 12-15 times a day for "tough" sideshow tips.

I've done it THOUSANDS OF TIMES, for Kindergarten kids, and "sophisticated COLLEGE GROUPS. I've done it since 1946. When I would play magicians conventions, I would be asked to include the MD!!!

Why are you concerned with with showing the BUCKET empty??????? The HANDS ARE THE "PRODUCERS" OF THE COINS!!! (NOT THE BUCKET!!!!!) T. Nelson Downs told Faucett Ross, that "...the ENTERTAINMENT IS IN THE PRODUCTION OF COINS FROM THE KID'S NOSE. EARS. ETC."

The bucket should not be "emphasized", It is merely needed to provide the auditory "illusion. IT'S A M O N E Y TRICK, IT'S NOT A BUCKET TRICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Has anyone tried a noise damper in the bottom of the bucket? I sometimes feel the clang is too loud for small shows..


Complete opposite: I find it difficult to get a solid hit on the bottom of the bucket.

Sometimes the Ike Dollars drop on the coins already at the bottom of the bucket.
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Sorry! I MUST DISAGREE!

I learned the MD with an UNginmmcked coffee can, I was 13. I did it 12-15 times a day for "tough" sideshow tips.

I've done it THOUSANDS OF TIMES, for Kindergarten kids, and "sophisticated COLLEGE GROUPS. I've done it since 1946. When I would play magicians conventions, I would be asked to include the MD!!!

Why are you concerned with with showing the BUCKET empty??????? The HANDS ARE THE "PRODUCERS" OF THE COINS!!! (NOT THE BUCKET!!!!!) T. Nelson Downs told Faucett Ross, that "...the ENTERTAINMENT IS IN THE PRODUCTION OF COINS FROM THE KID'S NOSE. EARS. ETC."

The bucket should not be "emphasized", It is merely needed to provide the auditory "illusion. IT'S A M O N E Y TRICK, IT'S NOT A BUCKET TRICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I'm not concerned about anything, and especially not the bucket but it helps the audience know it's empty without saying anything.
I never said I'm emphasizing it; quite the opposite. I just pick it up. I just happens to be mouth down at the time. No attention is put on the bucket.
The gimmick adds mystery for those that think they know how it's done or even DO know how it's done.
As I stated, I only use it for a little while and then it's gone; finishing the routine (most of the routine, in fact), with no gimmick at all.
The gimmick allow you options you don't otherwise have and has no drawback.
I don't like gimmicks as a rule. This one is an exception.

You're right about where the entertainment comes from.

Lastly, I'm not even sure what you actually disagreed with.
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Has anyone tried a noise damper in the bottom of the bucket? I sometimes feel the clang is too loud for small shows..


Complete opposite: I find it difficult to get a solid hit on the bottom of the bucket.

Sometimes the Ike Dollars drop on the coins already at the bottom of the bucket.


Did you read the thread?

One of the "members" who hasn't written anything in the "buffet" forum since 2006, who is an "expert" with coins, suggested that a college student insert a leather pad in the bottom of the bucket so that he would not disturb his roommate, with thr coins hitting the bucket. He also told the young guy to hold the bucket "horizontally" so the coins would only strike the SIDES of the bucket!!!!! I consider myself to be somewhat "experienced" (!!!!!!!!!!!) with the Misers Dream. Holding the bucket in THAT position, makes it impossible to drop the coin(s).

I mentioned "too many coins in a post about a week ago. The bucket is "necessary" to produce the auditory illusion, If the bottom of the bucket, is COVERED with coins, the coin just dropped, lands on the coins already there. The necessary sound is much diminished.

How many coins are you using??? I USE FIVE "IKE" $. I have had as many as 20 kids onstage, and I produce coins from ears, noses, hair, etc. I rehash the coins constantly, as I move down the line of kids. NO ONE has ever noticed or mentioned it.
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I repeat. I disagree with you.
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Disagree with??? I still don't know.
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The only reason I had to use a light bucket is the bad wrist of my left. The bucket is just a container to hold the coins and make noise. The routine is what counts.
Dick's routine is one of the most original I've ever seen. All of the other videos I've watched are just copies of other magicians.
Almost forgot to mention Al Flosso's.
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Anyone try the methods from Michael Boden's Misers Drop Zone DVD? He uses a small gimmicked hardware store bucket with handle. The coins are released from the hand holding the bucket handle. I shouldn't reveal any more than that. I haven't tried it.
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Two thoughts on the Miser’s Dream.
1. I have one child help with the routine. A bunch of kids onstage can sometimes be like
herding cats. Plus they can steal focus. With one child I can direct all my attention to them.

2. I always use a kid about 4 to 6 years old. Older kids will immediately start looking for a solution to
where the coins are coming from. Even when they’re wrong, it disrupts the flow. At 4-6 they still believe
In magic, and the moment when they drop the first coin in the bucket Is pure magic. That reaction is what
they are paying me for.


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Anyone try the methods from Michael Boden's Misers Drop Zone DVD? He uses a small gimmicked hardware store bucket with handle. The coins are released from the hand holding the bucket handle. I shouldn't reveal any more than that. I haven't tried it.


Yes, I've "played" with that idea, many years ago. It's NOT MichaelBoden's idea, though. I can't remember, for sure, where I first saw it, I'll try to check my files. I do know that my pal, Karrell Fox "played" with it, too.
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Hi Dick, Sounds like you weren't too thrilled with that method? It seems like it might be good, but I don't want to make the prop if it's not a good idea in reality.
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Hi Dan! I have used, as my basic criteria, for years, the principle: "Keep It Simple, Make It Fun". For me, the necessary hand skills came relatively easily.

I learned the Downs Palm with both hands, I learned the coin roll with four coins. I learned the five coin star with both hands simultaneously. Now, I'm 87, soon to be 88, When I was 20, I could type 95 wpm. But, not now!

I use gimmicks (dye tube, reels, TTs etc.,as necessary, but if a sleight will "do it", it's simpler. IMO, the gaff for Michael's MD routine, just complicates the trick.

The necessary "?" can "tangle" etc.

If you were to see the routine that I do, I think that you would feel the same way.
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Hi friend Woodfield.....I'll try to respond tomorrow.
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