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Nathan Pain Inner circle iowa 2825 Posts |
Does anyone know where to find a source for the effect where he lays down four cards of a winning poker hand, and tells a long story? At the end of the story he has a spec pick the one card out of the deck that they think will complete the hand. It matches of course. If this is a Derren Brown original I'm gonna shoot myself, no one should contain that much genius!
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123majik123 Regular user nowhere 180 Posts |
I really don't think you will get an answer to this. I believe it is a Derren original, so go ahead and shoot yourself! You will find the basic principle in his book pure effect where he tells you how to do a similar thing with the three of diamonds.
None of it is 100% reliable, but it takes time to develop and gauge. Basically you could liken this to a very subtle game of charades. Think up new ways to tell the spec to think of the five of diamonds without directly coming out with it. Suggestion. Check out psychological subtleties for more info and to a lesser extent on forces but big on suggestion Luke Jeremy's work. However, correct me if I'm wrong but I believe this to be quite a personal routine of Derren's so I'm not sure if someone else would be able to make it so sophisticated, dramatic and effecting as him. Good luck. It's difficult stuff. |
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Nathan Pain Inner circle iowa 2825 Posts |
I don't wanna do it, I just wanna know...you know? I have his books and I figured it was what you said it was. OK, must shoot myself, goodbye cruel world!
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dahpy New user Suffolk, England 2 Posts |
He gives a bit of information about how he achieves this on the commentary on his DVD Inside Your Mind.
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zmagicleez Regular user 123 Posts |
I really wouldn't believe to much of Derren's commentary on his DVD. Remember this is for laymen.
It's a small world... but you wouldn't want to hoover it.
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Nathan Pain Inner circle iowa 2825 Posts |
That's why I decided to ask here. There are always two ways of doing things, magician's way and laymen's way!
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MIC Regular user 169 Posts |
Just a tiny bit irrelevant but I am slightly disappointed but also higly satisfied since I "figured out" the truth about editing and pre-show work! Not saying that this specific trick uses such a principle but makes things much easier for my ignorant mind to finally accept what Derren is doing.
Anyway I think the guy is fantastic... not a god like many of you believe (with amazing psychological powers) but fantastic because finally new no-bs mentalism presentations, effects and approaches come out that can be performed like they are the real thing. I think more books should come out about that—about preshow work etc.—everyone is trying to take some of his wisdom and dissect his thinking and they are right in doing so!!! I wish I knew how this trick was done. I wish this trick wasn't my favourite card trick of the past years but I'm afraid it is. Anyway, I can't see how this was a force, I guess it must have been something else... M I C |
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Nathan Pain Inner circle iowa 2825 Posts |
It is a great effect..gave me goosebumps the first time!
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DanielLove Loyal user UK 265 Posts |
I think I can help on this one. This isn't related to the psychological force in Pure Effect, however, it is an easy self-working method (if I am thinking of the same effect). Once you know the answer you will wonder why you didn't think of it yourself.
Now I don't want to go exposing magical secrets in a public forum, so can someone tell me where we can discuss such things? Also, if you could be more specific on the effect I will be able to tell you if this is the same trick or not—I know he has performed a couple of Poker effects with similar themes. |
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Mesaboogie Special user 804 Posts |
Daniel,
It's not the 10 card poker effect he's talking about, which I assume you are. As far as the effect you ARE talking about, Nathan, I can bet my bottom dollar it's nothing to do with forcing. I would expect the routine to be 100% reliable—and there's simply only one way to guarantee this; unfortunately, you don't get to see it. |
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DanielLove Loyal user UK 265 Posts |
Mesaboogie,
Yes you're right, different trick...Maybe next time. |
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MagicSquare New user Scotland, UK 60 Posts |
The 10 card poker trick is pretty cool too, though. It's an effect which seems to really impress people, and Derren's performance it on his Mind Control show was excellent. So simple in essence, but with the right presentation it is really deceptive.
(In fact, does anyone know the origins/history of this effect?) |
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Mel Toyer Loyal user Luton, England 216 Posts |
I agree with mesaboogie. A psychological card force isn't easy to do even as a stand alone effect. To hope this force works after building up such suspense could be devastating. I can only think of one way to perform this 100% perfect and because this is the only way I can think of I wouldn't even attempt it. The method I am referring to is briefly mentioned in pure effect and in Ben Harris' Q & Q.
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jiggyjer Loyal user 215 Posts |
Those of you who think that everything Derren does has to be 100 percent reliable should re-read the section in pure effect on taking risks.
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Mel Toyer Loyal user Luton, England 216 Posts |
There is a time and a place to perform effects where risks must be taken. To perform this effect in front of two ladies who are trained to spot cheaters and who, I am sure, would have loved to catch Derren out is way too much of a risk.
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Nathan Pain Inner circle iowa 2825 Posts |
I honestly feel that he has to force the card mentally, because the lady dealt through the cards and picked the one she felt was right. There is no other way.
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truthteller Inner circle 2584 Posts |
C'mon kids. Let's let Derren have his tricks. You wouldn't want someone to see your show and then go online with a bunch of buddies, figure out your tricks, and publish the methods for all to see, would you?
It is a great trick, and if you want to think about it, fine; but keep it to yourself. Exposure by committee is just as bad as exposure by one. |
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MIC Regular user 169 Posts |
Truthteller, I disagree with you!! Derren Brown is not just one performer out of many, he is THE mentalist of the decade...at least as popularity goes...!!! Plus his effects have been puzzling magicians (mentalists) for a while now!
Let me remind you that there are veeery few things out around Derren's techniques (and most importantly very few things that seem to have the same effect). Also, what he does on the TV is made up so that it is very hard to deconstruct them, so talking about it and trying to break it apart can only help the mentalism community. I don't think we can know the truth, we can only speculate... That's the magic of editing!!! You do three different effects and you copy paste them all together, you get a hell of an effect...!!! Who knows??? Anyway, the truth is that every time I have figured out something about Derren's performance it has made my performance so much better, not because I copied it, I don't, but because it has made me think... That's my opinion. Don't think many people share it, but that's life. M I C |
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truthteller Inner circle 2584 Posts |
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...so talking about it and trying to break it apart can only help the mentalism community... What??? How is stealing the ideas of another performer helpful to the community? It's his work, not yours. Leave it alone. If you want to help the mentalism community, do some research, develop your own style, and begin offering material that sets you apart as a mover in the mentalism world. Now, the art expands. To copy, makes it contract. |
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Nathan Pain Inner circle iowa 2825 Posts |
If you talk about nothing, you learn nothing. Burn your books now before you become a better performer. I agree with the M I C! Talking about this stuff in the magic Café is like exposing myself to a mirror, nothing new is being seen!
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