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Hi folks,


There are a number of threads asking for packet tricks that meet various requirements, but I haven't seen one on the question in my subject line. I'm not an absolute beginner, but I'm closer to beginner than intermediate. I love packet tricks and am working on Color Monte. I'm looking for otheer packet tricks that would be suitable for beginning packet tricksters. I haven't learned any false counts yet -- there are a few that I clearly will want to learn -- Elmsley, Flushtration... But I thought it would be fun to learn the sleights with specific tricks in mind to use them in.


I'd prefer tricks in which the cards can be exmained at the end.


A related point: I imagine that some packet sleights are easier to learn than others? I've started working on the Biddle move, which Mentzer in his booklet says is one of the easier sleights to learn -- and so far, I'm feeling like I have ten thumbs!


Thanks for any ideas, folks. Sources for where to learn the tricks would be appreciated.


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Bob
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Thanks, Wravyn, these look like good leads. Have you performed the three tricks yourself? If so, do you agree with Bannon's assertion that no difficult moves are involved?


Nice to hear from you again.



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Qua-Fiki's "Go Fish Card Tricks" at the Magic Nook is a good place to start for a beginner who performs for young audiences. The same tricks can be performed for adults using regular playing cards, Tarot cards, or "adult" cards.
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Thanks, Jim. May I ask what sorts of sleights, if any, the "Fish Tricks" use?


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I’m still at beginner stage myself, so if it helps, some of the commercially available gaffed packet tricks I’m comfortable working on (aside from Color Monte) and would therefore suggest include:

B’wave
Double Back
NFW
Princess Card Trick
Ultimate Oil & Water
Ultimate 3 Card Monte
Wild Card

For ungaffed and examinable, I’d also recommend Twisting the Aces, Dr Daley’s Last Trick, and Card Warp.
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Thanks, Karnak, much appreciated. Bob
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Bob, I do use Duplicity and also Spin Doctor. Others speak highly of Royal Scam but I never purchased it so I can not speak for it. John Bannon has a good teaching style. There is a bonus routine on each of the dvds also.
I do not have any of his books though I do hear many good things about them. I believe there are others here in the Café that can share their thoughts about his books. To be honest, I do not hink I have ever really heard or read a bad reviews of his things, mixed reviews yes but not anything that would deter me from getting them.
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On Jul 26, 2018, karnak wrote:
I’m still at beginner stage myself, so if it helps, some of the commercially available gaffed packet tricks I’m comfortable working on (aside from Color Monte) and would therefore suggest include:

B’wave
Double Back
NFW
Princess Card Trick
Ultimate Oil & Water
Ultimate 3 Card Monte
Wild Card

For ungaffed and examinable, I’d also recommend Twisting the Aces, Dr Daley’s Last Trick, and Card Warp.


If you are doing NFW, Color Monte should be a beeeze. 👌. $.02. db
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Bob have you shown anybody you color monte yet? If you get it right you'll be on cloud 9. If you don't, you will remember BETTER what not to do. 👍👌😀 tru-dat! db
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On Jul 26, 2018, Bob G wrote:
Thanks, Jim. May I ask what sorts of sleights, if any, the "Fish Tricks" use?
Bob


Each Go Fish Trick uses more sleights than the original trick because the routines have been expanded. For example, in "Go Fish Monte" you start by openly removing one red fish card and two blue fish cards from a deck of Go Fish cards - showing both sides of each of the three cards - using moves that allow you sneak in a "shark surprise" that appears at the climax. Then "Go Fish Monte" segues into "Go Wild Fish" as you apparently explain how the Monte was done by transforming all three cards into three red fish cards or three blue fish cards using a "fish-tail move". Each Go Fish packet trick adds additional sleights and moves to the original trick from which it was derived.
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Hi DB,


Not ready to show the trick yet because I'm still using your videos to learn to do the move the way you do it. (And of course, as you know, one's job gets in the way of important things like magic. Smile )


Thanks for the encouragement -- I can always use a reminder that my handling doesn't have to be 100% perfect before I perform. I think your point is that you learn a lot be performing that you don't by just practicing, right? I'll keep you posted!



Hi Jim,


Thanks for the additional info. Can the tricks be done with regular cards? And do the tricks use any false counts or displays -- if so, which ones? Feel free to PM me if you're willing to answer the second question. I'm not asking you to give away the whole trick! -- but I'm trying to keep myself within budget.


Thanks,


Bob
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On Jul 27, 2018, Bob G wrote:
Hi Jim,
Thanks for the additional info. Can the tricks be done with regular cards? And do the tricks use any false counts or displays -- if so, which ones? Feel free to PM me if you're willing to answer the second question. I'm not asking you to give away the whole trick! -- but I'm trying to keep myself within budget.
Bob


Bob - PM sent
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One of the best ways to learn an EC is to study Alex Elmsley's "The Four Card Trick" (the granddaddy of all packet tricks) and Dai Vernon's "Twisting the Aces".

Resources I'd recommend are The Collected Works of Alex Elmsley, Vol. 1 and Dai Vernon's Inner Card Trilogy. The trilogy is, as the name suggests, three books in one: Inner Secrets of Card Magic, More Inner Secrets of Card Magic and Further Inner Secrets of Card Magic. You can get these as separate manuscripts from Lybrary.com if you prefer ebooks. If you can only afford one, More Inner Secrets of Card Magic contains the write up for TTA.

A bonus of buying these two books is that you'll have access to a ton of groundbreaking card magic. Some stuff at your current level and a lot beyond. This will help you develop your card handling skills. It will also give you a glimpse of what you'll be able to perform when you master some of those counts you mention.

Good luck on your journey,

Marty
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Thanks for these great suggestions, Marty, and for your encouragement. As it happens, I already own Elmsley's collected works and the three inner secrets books. So no more expenses involved, thank goodness.


I found both books pretty intimidating, but that was at least a year ago, and I've noticed that I can now understand or do some of the things that were opaque or impossible then. So I'm going to take a look at the two tricks you recommended in the books you mentioned.


I saw a video of Elmsley doing one of his packet tricks -- *maybe* the four card trick, or dazzle?? He kept taking cards out of his pocket and the new cards changed the colors of the old ones. Anyway, he was just charming.


Regards,


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He kept taking cards out of his pocket and the new cards changed the colors of the old ones. Anyway, he was just charming.


That's "Dazzle". Here's a video or Mr. Elmsley performing the trick.



I agree that he had a charming style of presentation. I absolutely love his patter and cheeky sense of humour. Here's a video of him performing "The Four Card Trick".



I'm glad to hear you're persevering with the books. I agree that they're difficult to read, especially for a beginner. The above videos come from The Magic of Alex Elmsley: The Lake Tahoe Sessions, Vol. 1. This four DVD set makes a great companion to the two books, and may ease your learning of the material.

Good luck!

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Hey Marty. Been awhile mate. Great posts as always. I seem to remember Mr. Elmsley doing a different variant of his stellar 'The Four Card Trick'. Is this the original version?
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It has been a while. I'm trying to get back into magic after having a bit of a break.

Yes, this is the original from 1959. However, Elmsley did modify the handling slightly in the preceding years to make the routine less challenging. This is probably the variant that you remember. It's called "The New Four Card Trick". Here's the video.



Basically, it is the same trick with different patter and a few additional sequences.

This is one of my favourite packet tricks. I've developed a few variations of it over the years. I really should try and write them up.

Marty
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Marty,


I'll be the first to want to know if you ever decide to write them up. Good to hear that the Lake Tahoe sessions might be a good supplement. I'm kicking myself now -- it kept coming up for sale on L&L and I didn't buy it. Ah well, maybe they'll have it on sale again.


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Bob, it is probably worth waiting. They do have a lot of sales!

I've just been looking at my old notes. I have a couple of variations that are worthy of publication. One adds a cool colour change to the routine and an additional kicker ending. The other has a "Color Monte" inspired script.

I also sometimes perform this with four blank face playing cards. I get a spectator to sign one of the cards. This becomes the "money card". The presentation has a Faustian feel. At the end, I reveal that the signed card has a red back, rather than blue. Written on the back of the card in big, bold letters is "SANTA IS MY MASTER". As I reveal this, I say "Satan is now your master. Your soul belongs to the dark lord." I wait until someone points out that the card says "SANTA" not "SATAN". I then make a joke about the Devil being dyslexic. The good news is that the spectator hasn't lost their immortal soul to Beelzebub. The bad news is that they now have a winter job at the North Pole!

This trick works well in the run up to the Christmas holidays for obvious reasons. I developed the Santa/Satan thing because some people get a little freaked out by the whole idea of making a pact with the Devil. This way, they never sign a card with the word "Satan" on it.

You can, of course, put any message you like on the back of the odd-backed card. Things that have worked for me in the past include:

  • NEVER GAMBLE ON A LADY
  • NEVER GAMBLE WITH/ON A GHOST (Halloween presentation, money card is a ghost. Or you tell people about the time you gambled with a ghost.)
  • NEVER GAMBLE WITH A MAGICIAN
  • NEVER GAMBLE WITH MARTY

The text on the cards seems to heighten impact of the kicker ending.

Marty
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