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Tym123
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HI guys, I am thinking of investing in a silver coins set from Schoolcraft and have decided that I want a silver dollar one. The two options I am deciding between are the soft Morgans and the peace dollars. Aesthetically I slightly prefer the peace dollars but I have heard that some struggle with them "talking" too much since they are not "soft", so could you please answer some of these questions if you are able to as well as provide your personal opinion


Some questions:

1.Are you able to do all tricks (including ones like threefly) with the peace dollars even if they aren't "soft"

2.How soft/loud are the peace dollars deans set from Schoolcraft and the definition of detail on both the Morgans and peace(some pictures would be fantastic)

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3.if anyone has both or either of these sets can you please inform me of the benefits and negatives you are experiencing

Thanks so much for answering and helping me.
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I’ve got a walking liberty Dean’s Set that isn’t soft. I use it for coins across and matrix types of routines. I love it. I would think that a three fly routine would be problematic for the talking reasons you’ve mentioned. I’d go with a soft set if you want to perform a version of three fly. Chris Kenner recommends soft coins.

Speaking of Kenner, I’ve got his wonderful “Super Fly” set of coins. The set I have is Peace Dollar. They are “soft.” I’ve done three fly routines with both Morgans and Peace silver dollars. From my experience it’s not so much which of those two coins but rather if they are pristine or soft. The pristine (non-slicks) will talk more regardless of whether it’s Morgan or Peace from what I can tell. Others with more experience may have a different opinion.

I’d go with the soft set. I’d reckon that Schoolcraft can soften a Peace set for you if you prefer that look over the Morgans.
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Thanks so much for the reply
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Also are you able to do coin matrix and some vanishes with silver dollars or must I default to half dollars, which is more flexible as a tool. Thanks
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Most classic style Matrix routines are much better with quarters or half dollars. I’m sure some guys have worked out routines with silver dollar size, but most routines need the smaller coins as far as I can tell.

Silver dollar size is awesome for cylinder & coins and three fly work.

Dean Dill’s gaffed explosion set came in both half and dollar size coins, but I’ve never seen the full silver dollar size performance. It would be super cool to watch.
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Thanks

2 questions:

1.if I were to get halve set, would you go for walking liberties or barbers? I've heard that barbers are much more soft and near silent in use. However, I prefer the aesthetic of the walking liberties. Note/question: the walking liberties are semi soft(right?) so are you able to still do 3fly, but just not as quiet as barbers?

2. how much smaller are deans set half dollars than the original size

once again, thanks for the reply
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I used to own the Dean's Set Walking Liberties. Great set. Keeping them quiet while doing a coins across / 3-fly is not a big deal.

The size difference between the re-milled inserts vs regular half dollar coins are barely noticeable. The Dean's set half dollar shell is the size of a regular half dollar (it's unexpanded), and since they are a matching set the size difference between those and regular coins are a non-issue.

Hope this helps,
Steve
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Neither Walking Liberties nor Barbers are "more soft" than the other.
"Soft" refers to how worn down the coins are. It's probably easier to find very well worn Barbers, but a well worn Walker will be "softer" than a pristine Barber and vice versa.

Barbers are interesting in that they are thinner than other half dollars -- I think it's something like a stack of 5 Barbers are as tall as four Walkers/Franklins/Kennedys.

I don't have a Deans set, but I have a Walker 3CF. The main difference you see with the cut-down coins is the raised rims around the edge are much thinner than normal. This can make them stand-out compared to normal coins -- or I suspect even the unexpanded shell in a Deans set.
Left to right... Ex-shell, inner-shell (unexpanded), inner coin, in this case, a flipper. The inner one here jumps out at me, but the differences will likely go unnoticed as people don't see or handle these coins every day like we do. If you're using them for a 3-fly the viewing distance alone would make these differences imperceptable. I'd be more concerned doing something like a matrix where they'd be seen side by side up close, but again, spectators don't even know what they're looking for. You just don't want one coin to stand out as "odd" as it will draw suspicion even if it's not a gimmick.

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Thanks

2 questions:

1.if I were to get halve set, would you go for walking liberties or barbers? I've heard that barbers are much more soft and near silent in use. However, I prefer the aesthetic of the walking liberties. Note/question: the walking liberties are semi soft(right?) so are you able to still do 3fly, but just not as quiet as barbers?

2. how much smaller are deans set half dollars than the original size

once again, thanks for the reply
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Oh... and I should add.... on dollar-sized sets the differences will occupy a much smaller percentage of the overall coin so they are even less noticeable.
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