On Aug 24, 2018, kissdadookie wrote:

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On Aug 24, 2018, jamesrock wrote:

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On Aug 24, 2018, kissdadookie wrote:
Since you have to stack the deck any way, this is completely unnecessary because one can do ACAAN solo with a known stack of their choice which also has the additional benefit of being able to do other things using that stack (such as using the Aronson stack or Mnemonica for example, where you have built in effects those stacks can be used for). You wouldn't need a confederate. You can control the deck yourself as needed. Asi has a great method for ACAAN that doesn't need a confederate.

sure. ok. but the 'app' generates a stack for you and saves it to your device - you can make the stack up once and use it time and again.

even with a memorised stack, mentally calculating the correct card to cut-to is surely quite a lot of effort?! it's easy enough to write in code, but to mentally figure-out where their chosen card is in relation to the target position can't be easy?! surely that's why two other people have taken a similar approach?

It's pretty easy actually. LoL. Asi explains the math involved and it's really not that difficult. Using your own stack also means that your deck is set up for other effects that can be done with the stack. For example, there are several poker effects which can be done with the Aronson stack. With a randomly generated stack, it actually has essentially little to no value.

Now, if I recall correctly, Marc (wiki book test creator, forgot his last name) has a nice app that can know a spread and I think that idea with a modification can be used for what you are suggesting with yours and it requires no stacks. That actually has utility since it will know a completely random spread. I don't think it can currently do what your app does though but if you think about it, your app would really only be practical and useful IF it had the ability to know a random spread.

Ok, now somebody go and make the app I've just described please. It would actually be kind of amazing (ACAAN with a truly borrowed and shuffled by the spectator to their heart's content, holy grail right there).

its marc kerstein - creator of earworm and several others.

i think your suggestion is impractical, and over complicates an otherwise simple method.

the whole point in it generating a deck for you is simplicity - it's easy enough to make a stack up (5 mins) than it would be to manually input a stack...

use it or ignore it - it is free after all. if you prefer another method then use that instead... each to their own.

Who said anything about having to manually enter a stack? I referenced Marc's app for a reason... duh. Your application is halfway there, it's missing the half that Marc's app has which would make your idea a practical and very useful idea. Think about what I am describing to you here...

On Aug 24, 2018, jamesrock wrote:


my idea is very practical... again, the accompanying pdf explains it all.

On Aug 24, 2018, kissdadookie wrote:

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my idea is very practical... again, the accompanying pdf explains it all.

It's not. I read the instructions for you app. The idea is good but it's missing the part I pointed out that would make it practical.

When you have a stack, it is not practical if the only thing that stack is good for is to do ACAAN. That is NOT practical at all because you are being forced to maintain a stack for no other reason than that one trick. ACAAN is also a very strong trick and is a bit of a waste used as an opener so it is likely to be used in the middle or even as a closer to a set. Since this is likely the case, you are now forced to maintain the stack and handle the deck a particular way for no other reason other than to just do that one ACAAN. Your app uses a random stack and it doesn't matter if it generates a random one for each user that they can keep using, that stack has no inherent uses other than for the ACAAN so it's not a good and practical stack. Mnemonica is a good and practical stack because the stack can be used for various effects which are built into the stack. Same goes for the Aronson stack. Same goes for Juan's newer stack on his Magic from My Heart video set. Same goes for Redford's stack. Same goes for Aragon's stack. Same goes for virtually any other of the various stacks that are out there. All other stacks have utility because they have things built into the stack that the stack can be used for. Your stack does nothing other than the one ACAAN you are suggesting. All the other stacks I have mentioned can be used for ACAAN. Why the hell would anybody want to use your randomly generate stack when they are far better off using any of the other stacks I have mentioned for which they have various effects that are built into each respective stack I've mentioned? Why?

So how is your app, as it is, practical or even nearing parity with one using any of the other stacks I've mentioned? Since your app uses a randomly generated stack, then in reality the app is not stack dependent so for your app to actually be of use, it needs a method for which it can read a random spread and when I say this, I do not mean that it needs a input method for which someone sits there coding in the spread manually, no, I'm talking about using technology for which it can read the spread instantly via a visual input if you get what I mean.

On Aug 24, 2018, jamesrock wrote:

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On Aug 24, 2018, tomd wrote:
Appreciate the link, but like kissdadookie said above.. this is a bit redundant.

I don't want to come across as mean, but just spend a couple of weeks working on Asi Winds version and you have the same thing without any restriction. This variation demands that I create the stack before performance, have an assistant secretly show you where you need to cut, and then find the card to cut to it manually (without knowing where it is because I haven't memorised the stack). It's free, sure, but also highly impractical.

Just learn a stack, and pay $12 (or so) for Asi's method.

I think you're missing the point... but ok. Each to their own.

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my idea is very practical... again, the accompanying pdf explains it all.

It's not. I read the instructions for you app. The idea is good but it's missing the part I pointed out that would make it practical.

When you have a stack, it is not practical if the only thing that stack is good for is to do ACAAN. That is NOT practical at all because you are being forced to maintain a stack for no other reason than that one trick. ACAAN is also a very strong trick and is a bit of a waste used as an opener so it is likely to be used in the middle or even as a closer to a set. Since this is likely the case, you are now forced to maintain the stack and handle the deck a particular way for no other reason other than to just do that one ACAAN. Your app uses a random stack and it doesn't matter if it generates a random one for each user that they can keep using, that stack has no inherent uses other than for the ACAAN so it's not a good and practical stack. Mnemonica is a good and practical stack because the stack can be used for various effects which are built into the stack. Same goes for the Aronson stack. Same goes for Juan's newer stack on his Magic from My Heart video set. Same goes for Redford's stack. Same goes for Aragon's stack. Same goes for virtually any other of the various stacks that are out there. All other stacks have utility because they have things built into the stack that the stack can be used for. Your stack does nothing other than the one ACAAN you are suggesting. All the other stacks I have mentioned can be used for ACAAN. Why the hell would anybody want to use your randomly generate stack when they are far better off using any of the other stacks I have mentioned for which they have various effects that are built into each respective stack I've mentioned? Why?

So how is your app, as it is, practical or even nearing parity with one using any of the other stacks I've mentioned? Since your app uses a randomly generated stack, then in reality the app is not stack dependent so for your app to actually be of use, it needs a method for which it can read a random spread and when I say this, I do not mean that it needs a input method for which someone sits there coding in the spread manually, no, I'm talking about using technology for which it can read the spread instantly via a visual input if you get what I mean.

i'm many steps ahead of you on this... trust me... I do see what you're saying, but what's the harm in just keeping a deck of cards in a stack for this trick? it's a far more practical method than most, and one of very few to meet the same set of criteria. scanning a deck is more impractical than this. it just is, in so many ways.

On Aug 27, 2018, Ross W wrote:
I wonder if ACAAN s all that good a trick anyway. I think it's hard to make it "magical". People often react like the guy in Greg Rostami's video: sort of "oh fancy that," rather than "WOW!". Perhaps because a card being at that number is highly improbable, but it's not actually impossible. I think we like ACAAN tricks more than the spectators!

On Aug 30, 2018, RCarruth wrote:
Jamesrock.. simply ask the spectator to name a card and a number. Once done.. spread the deck face up, ask the spectator if they see their card and if they see any duplicates. With the deck face up, cut and pick up the deck at the key card. Not perfect.. but with enough conversation they will forget you cut the deck. Another method.. spread the deck face up. Turn your back. Ask the spectator to think of one of the cards. Ask the spectator to name a number. Enter the info in to YOUR phone while your back is turned. Turn around and split the deck at the key card and proceed as with my first example.. Again, not perfect.. but workable. Thanks for sharing...

On Aug 27, 2018, Ross W wrote:
I wonder if ACAAN s all that good a trick anyway. I think it's hard to make it "magical". People often react like the guy in Greg Rostami's video: sort of "oh fancy that," rather than "WOW!". Perhaps because a card being at that number is highly improbable, but it's not actually impossible. I think we like ACAAN tricks more than the spectators!