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Philemon Vanderbeck
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As a bizarrist, tearing up the paper and subsequently burning it is part of the ritual.
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On Sep 8, 2018, Last Laugh wrote:
The original 'Name and Place' by Bruce Bernstein is among the best motivations I've heard.

Also, if it's done in the context of a ritual of some kind (we need to tear this up and burn it), it can definitely make sense, though that doesn't work for everyone's character obviously.

Another good one is to have the thought shown to another person - "Okay now that you've seen it also, let's destroy it so there's absolutely no way for me to see it".

Having said that. I very rarely use a CT in my work. Even if I need to tear something, I'd probably go for the classic or a sW1764 and delayed r3@6. As cool as the instant ones are in theory, I've had too many instances of terrible, or tiny, or not in the correct area writing.

I do think it's a good thing to have in your arsenal however. You can do it with nearly any kind of random paper.




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I believe it was originally in “Twenty Effects for Psychic Entertainers” by Bruce Bernstein
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On Sep 9, 2018, Waters. wrote:
I believe it was originally in “Twenty Effects for Psychic Entertainers” by Bruce Bernstein


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Mostly I just do it. Nobody questions it. If it is obviously part of the process through your actions it isn't necessary to justify it.
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I have tended to just do it too however I think I should have the "why " figured out for that one time in twenty someone asks.

One time I was some what burnt with the technique, I did osterlinds tip of putting the bits in the bottle. After the guy said," if I topped the bits out would I find my word?" He just walked off but gives you pause for thought. I think it's a good utility to have, it's a p@@k on the fly if your not set up for a p@@k you may have a preference for.
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I’ve been thinking a lot about cause and effect lately. Much magic is performed as effects without causes. And snapping your fingers or casting a shadow would be such low-effort causes that they don’t really deserve an effect. In story magic, the tricks are illustrations for the tale. Different sort of thing. In bizarre, if there’s a ritual, that is the cause. In mentalism, unless you just want to say it is all tricks, there’s an inherent cause for the effect of reading minds.

So, all that said, if my effect is that under certain circumstances I can pick up on thoughts, the circumstances are my cause. With a CT, I think there ought to be a justifiable reason for both the writing and the ripping. They should be congruent to the cause.

I don’t think you need to explain it, but I think having a subtext about why it matters is valuable. Is it some form of psychometry? Do you destroy it to send it out into the ether so you now have access? I have my reason, but I only share it with people individually.

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The writing it down seems easy as we want to "solidify the thought in the mind" and writing it down accomplishes that. See Bob C's work on the subject.

Tearing or burning seems more ingenuous? IN PME is a piece called "The Secret" by Dunninger on page 47 the paper is torn and dropped in a glass of water. Moments latter the paper bursts into flames and the metalist revels the written thought. No patter suggestions are made int the text but it is obvious that as has already been stated a bizarre rational can be made for the occurrence. So to can a ritualistic reason be given for what happens. I have written a presentation centered around pyrokenisis that not only makes sense but adds another mental effect to the demonstration.

I don't know if all this matters as justifications seem like running when not being chased? However having a reason, would help me to make it more believable through motivating factors.
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On Sep 10, 2018, Mr. Woolery wrote:
I’ve been thinking a lot about cause and effect lately. Much magic is performed as effects without causes. And snapping your fingers or casting a shadow would be such low-effort causes that they don’t really deserve an effect. In story magic, the tricks are illustrations for the tale. Different sort of thing. In bizarre, if there’s a ritual, that is the cause. In mentalism, unless you just want to say it is all tricks, there’s an inherent cause for the effect of reading minds.

So, all that said, if my effect is that under certain circumstances I can pick up on thoughts, the circumstances are my cause. With a CT, I think there ought to be a justifiable reason for both the writing and the ripping. They should be congruent to the cause.

I don’t think you need to explain it, but I think having a subtext about why it matters is valuable. Is it some form of psychometry? Do you destroy it to send it out into the ether so you now have access? I have my reason, but I only share it with people individually.

Patrick


Echos a lot of my thoughts on the process and led to the post. Thanks, id love to hear your reason in pm by the way. For inspiration not plagerism!!
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On Sep 9, 2018, Peter Morrissey wrote:
Ah Dave! How cool. Is there a work in particular Sean is talking of?


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It's in the mysterious link in my sig.

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