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magicfish
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Gents, I have a question for you Americans. I am genuinely curious about something but I'm not sure if I know how to ask/explain properly. Here goes:
As far as gun freedoms are concerned;
If an outright ban on all firearms was at one extreme end of the spectrum, what woul be on the other end- would it be concealed carry or open carry? In other words is open carry considered more lenient, more free, less government control than concealed carry?
Am I making any sense Here? Is open carry a step beyond concealed carry on the gun freedom scale or is it the other way round or neither?
Thanks.
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Https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry......d_States

I don't think that there is general consensus on which would be considered more restrictive. I guess as a matter of practice, the one that requires a license would be.
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Magicfish, I don’t have an answer to your question. But I’m sure it varies from state to state.

For example, when I lived in New York City, you automatically went to jail for one year if the police found a gun on you.

Now that I’m living in Seattle, I discovered that you can walk around freely with a pistol, rifle or a shotgun … as long as you don’t point it at anyone.
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Guys hold on. I'm obviously not being clear here.
Let me try again. I'm not talking about state to state differences.
My friends up here in Canada and I are having a debate and we don't know the answer..
Is concealed carry considered more of a pro gun owner law than open carry?
I say it's open carry because you get to wear it openly. My coworkers say it's concealed carry because you have the right to conceal it.
Which one is considered more......ugh, I don't know the word. I guess least restrictive?
What say you gun owners?
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Does the law say, "ok you can carry a gun but we don't wanna see them so you make *** sure theyre concealed so it doesn't upset people"
Or does the law say, "you can have guns but you best get them out in the open where we can see them!"
Are they both restrictive in that regard?
Or are they both non restrictive in that regard?
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There after lots of different laws.
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Yes I know. I'm just wondering which one is more favourable to most pro gun citizens.
Do concealed carry guys wish they could open carry or do open carry guys wish they were allowed to conceal it.
Which one is perceived as greater gun freedom?
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The right to carry a concealed weapon is a higher level of freedom than an open carry situation. Obviously, in open carry, everyone knows what you got. It may be for self-protection, it may be a warning, or you may have malicious intent, but everyone knows what it is and where and more or less what it can do.

A concealed carry allows the element of surprise. Most [police are not happy with this. They get nervous wondering what they will find when they search someone they had probable cause to search. Is there a weapon? is the suspect getting ready to use it?

I personally favor open carry if you allow weapons to be carried at all. It is for the above reasons. I'd rather know where everybody stands.
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Hello magicfish,

I still think my first answer is the correct answer to your question.

There is no general consensus on what is more "pro gun".

My opinion is that the most "pro gun" would be the least restrictive. If you've got to be licensed to do something, it is by definition more restrictive. Some states allow you to open carry without a license while you need a license to conceal carry. As far as guns rights advocates feel, I don't think there is even a lot of opposition to having to be licensed to carry. In fact, that is generally supported so neither case would be considered more "pro gun".
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On Sep 15, 2018, Cliffg37 wrote:
The right to carry a concealed weapon is a higher level of freedom than an open carry situation. Obviously, in open carry, everyone knows what you got. It may be for self-protection, it may be a warning, or you may have malicious intent, but everyone knows what it is and where and more or less what it can do.

A concealed carry allows the element of surprise. Most [police are not happy with this. They get nervous wondering what they will find when they search someone they had probable cause to search. Is there a weapon? is the suspect getting ready to use it?

I personally favor open carry if you allow weapons to be carried at all. It is for the above reasons. I'd rather know where everybody stands.

Thankyou sir! This leads me to one more question then. In a concealed carry state, are you allowed to open carry if you so choose?
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Thanks Rockwall but I couldn't find the answer there. Can anyone give me an example?
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I will tell you that tactically speaking open carry is not as advantageous as concealed carry.

A bad guy can make his first move taking your weapon. This is the difference. As far as the law goes it really comes down to each state. (Which is as it should be.)

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!”
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On Sep 15, 2018, Dannydoyle wrote:
I will tell you that tactically speaking open carry is not as advantageous as concealed carry.

A bad guy can make his first move taking your weapon. This is the difference. As far as the law goes it really comes down to each state. (Which is as it should be.)

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!”
-Benjamin Franklin

Understood. And thanks for that insight Danny.
Is there an open carry state that lets you conceal?
Is there a concealed carry state that lets you open carry?
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I don't know as open carry never crossed my mind as something I'd ever do outside context of cop work.
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On Sep 15, 2018, magicfish wrote:
Is there an open carry state that lets you conceal?
Is there a concealed carry state that lets you open carry?

Yes. Is the level of interest just “come to The Café and ask about it” or have you read the first ten entries which googling “states which allow both open and concealed carry” brings up.

The answer is right there. As is the language and general mood of which is more restricted.
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Oddly enough, I often enjoy asking real human beings.
Thanks Tom. I'll take a look.
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These days both are grossly suspect, so there ya go. Smile
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The other extreme is Constitutional carry. No laws against who can carry (felons, mentally ill cannot be told no). Open carry still does not allow you to carry in a school. Open carry does not allow you to have a loaded gun in car.
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