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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
In the thread, "Your Favorite Multi-use Sleight," a couple of people mention Harry Lorayne's HaLo cut. Can anyone direct me to tricks that use that cut? I perform one such trick (Nick Trost's sub-trunk mystery), and I'm aware of Lorayne's HaLo Aces and One-Eyed Jacks.
Thanks for any help people can offer. References would be especially appreciated. Regards, Bob |
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mlippo Inner circle Trieste (Italy) 1227 Posts |
Thompson's Aces in Card College vol. 5 makes use of a bottom slip cut.
A superb Ace production which I've used for years. Mark |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
How typical; doesn't respond to the request at all.
Off hand, Bob, check out HaLo Again and HaLo Mates in the Rim Shots section of LORAYNE: THE CLASSIC COLLECTION, Vol. 2. And you might like The HaLo Cut Cop in the Afterthoughts section of that same volume. HaLo Cut Ace Revelation and Double Olah Revers in the Quantum Leaps section of L:TCC, volume 3 plus quite a few other effects/routines/ideas at the very end of that section, including my HaLo Cut Force. And HaLo Cut Handlings in the Trend Setters section of that same volume. There are quite a few other effects/routines based on my HaLo Cut in the quite-a-few of my books that came out after the above. But these should keep you busy for a while.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
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On Oct 2, 2018, Bob G wrote: Hi Bob, It makes me really happy that you are feeling good about the HaLo Cut, once you find that sweet spot on the cut, you're hooked. It really is a sleight with SO many possibilities!! |
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Many thanks to all of you!: Mark, Harry, and Vlad. Your encouragement and lists of tricks will give me many hours (and months) of pleasure.
Bob |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On Oct 2, 2018, mlippo wrote: I'm familiar with this effect. I substituted the bottom slip cut with the Halo Cut to streamline it and add to its deception. Great example mlippo, thanks for sharing. In fact There are many effects that use a "traditional" bottom slipcut that can be improved by using Mr. Lorayne's excellent Halo Cut. |
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mlippo Inner circle Trieste (Italy) 1227 Posts |
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On Oct 2, 2018, Harry Lorayne wrote: Why not? OP asked about tricks that use a bottom slipcut and I cited one. Mark |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Okay, Mr. Obvious. (Amazing to me how hatemongers never "see" their own obviousness.) magicfish's response is "easier" for me...
"I'm familiar with this effect. I substituted the Halo Cut for the bottom slip cut to streamline it and add to its deception. Great example mlippo, thanks for sharing. "In fact There are many effects that use a "traditional" bottom slip cut that can be improved by using Mr. Lorayne's excellent Halo Cut." (Doubtful that mr. knowledgeable mlippo will pay any attention. The only attention he "pays" is when he can do a putdown where I'm concerned. He is, after all, Mr. Obvious." We'll breathlessly await for more of his deep, deep, knowledge.)
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Magicfish, I agree with both of your observations. I think Mark's suggestion was indeed to the point, and , based on my limited experience, I agree that the the HaLo cut can be used to advantage in tricks that call for a bottom slip cut -- of which the HaLo is an example, of course.
Harry, I don't know what history there is between you and Mark, but I beg you not to turn this thread into a hate-fest. As I'm sure you know, I'm a great admirer of yours -- I've told you many times how much I admire your Magic Book (among many other of your books), both for its clarity and and lively, informal style, and for its touching stories about your boyhood during the Great Depression. And I'm grateful for all the help you've given me on the Café. I hope you don't mind my saying that It sometimes seems to me that you take offense unnecessarily; I didn't sense any animosity in Mark's comments. So can we please call a truce here? Many Thanks and Best Regards, Bob |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On Oct 3, 2018, mlippo wrote: Incorrect. He asked about tricks that use the Halo Cut. Big difference Mark. However I have found that many effects that require a bottom slip cut can be improved by using a HaLo Cut. Don't let trolling or dislike for someone hinder your learning my friend. |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
BobG: As you said, you're not aware of the history, etc. You obviously aren't aware of the fact that lovely MARK comes in with a trollistic putdown about 99.9% of the times where there is anything nice said about me - been doing so for quite a number OF YEARS. It does get "raw" after a while - and I just find it difficult to lie back quietly and enjoy hatemongers. Obviously, if he kept his mouth shut every time, just about EVERY TIME, there's a nice post - or any sort of post - about me - I'd keep my mouth shut! Thank God you don't have jealousy-ridden hatemongers like him going after you, BobG.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
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On Oct 3, 2018, Bob G wrote: Dear Bob, In our correspondences as well as your posts I have come to know you as a generous and kind man with a burning love for our art and I know that your plea to Mr. Lorayne is genuine. To your credit, you state that you don't know know the history between Mr. Lorayne and Mark. Rather than air it out here on the open forum, I would invite you to PM me and we can discuss it. In the meantime - and please Bob do not take the following as an admonition directed at you but rather a suggestion? I offer that your plea should also be addressed to Mark because of the history. I do hope you will at least give my suggestion some thought my friend. Best, Vlad |
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mlippo Inner circle Trieste (Italy) 1227 Posts |
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On Oct 4, 2018, Vlad_77 wrote: Sorry? You suggest discussing the "history" between me and Lorayne with another person and IN PRIVATE?? And what would ya tell 'im? Your, quite likely, biased truth? How bad is that?? You know what? Go ahead if that makes YOU feel better .... go ahead ... You have my permission. I've got something else to do ... Mark |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Scour the forum for threads that mention Harry Lorayne's contribution to the art and craft we all love and find ways to derail it with vitriol?
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
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On Oct 4, 2018, mlippo wrote: Paranoid much Mark? There IS a history and you know it; it's no secret. Now,did you stop to consider that I wanted to discuss this in private with Bob NOT to slam you but to merely explain the history? There is no bias Mark. I wager that I could if I wished to do so, I could ask for ten people to use The Café's search function to search for the written record of the history. But Mark, I chose and choose not to do that. In fact, your coming at me guns blazing kind of demonstrates the history. Oh yes, and Mark? I am in no way accusing you of anything with regard to this history. I have seen Mr. Lorayne attacked viciously in this community for many years and NOT just by you mate. I could list many names here or in PM. I will not do that. Mark, I respect virtually all of your non-Lorayne posts; I truly do. I believe you are a profoundly well versed magician. But the record is clear and do please see magicfish's post above this one, that this reoccurring derailing Lorayne threads is not based upon some "biased" truth. That said, the admins have deleted many of the threads in which Harry Lorayne was attacked. Like him or not Mark, Harry Lorayne has earned his reputation as one of the legends of magic. It may cause you no little pain to admit to yourself that you, along with MANY other magicians, owe a huge debt of gratitude to Harry Lorayne and to recognize that indeed his name deserves to be mentioned in the same long breath as Marlo, Vernon, Hofzinser, Tamariz, Scarne, Horowitz, Miller,and other movers and shakers that paved the way for you, for me, for many who love the art. It is Bob's choice as to whether he wants to discuss this. I will not initiate a PM with him on the subject. Bob is a relative newcomer to our community and again, to his credit, he states that he does not know the history. I do feel however that his plea, as I suggested, applies to you as well. Why is that a problem for you Mark? Perhaps I am mistaken? Perhaps others and I have hallucinated and thus created a history that you imply does not exist? Mea culpa mate but, I don't think so. Best, Vlad |
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Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
By now you must be a HaLo Cut expert, Bob
If you want more routine suggestions, look up the excellent Conjuring Archive: HaLo Cut |
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Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
Mark, to be fair: a HaLo Cut is a Bottom Slip Cut, but a Bottom Slip Cut is not necessarily a HaLo Cut – so your mentioning of the wonderful Thompson's Aces effect is, at least partially, off-topic.
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Hi everybody,
My ill-advised message to Harry generated a lot of controversy and I want to do what I can to make amends. First and most important: Harry, I owe you an apology. Much as I love the magic Café, and the generosity that is so common here, and which I've benefited from so much, there's also a lot of rancor. Ironically, in my effort to try to diminish the rancor on this thread, I contributed to the negativity by leveling a personal criticism toward you in a public forum. I'm deeply sorry about that, and I can only hope that you'll feel able to accept my apology and let bygones be bygones. You've been very helpful to me, and I appreciate it very much. Generally in life, lots of "V. I. P.'s" would consider it beneath them to help a beginner, so your willingness to help me and others like me is refreshing. Claudio, Ha! I'm very, very far from expert in the HaLo cut. But I've come a long way. Sometime when I have time I'd like to make another video for you to critique -- if you're willing! You've already given me a lot of your time. And thanks for the link. Mark, I looked up the trick in CC that you mentioned. I was interested to see that, like the HaLo cut, the bottom slip cut that Giobbi describes is based on a swing cut. From my brief look so far, it seems that the main difference is that Giobbi's version has a get-ready. Many people on the Café consider the HaLo cut to be the best bottom slip cut, but I'm still at the stage in my magic where I want to try out lots of different variations of sleights. It's fun, for one thing, and I hope it will improve my card handling generally. Vlad, many thanks for your kind words. I admire your attempt to throw oil on these choppy waters. And I thank you for your offer to fill me in on the "history." I considered it seriously, but in the end decided that Mark was right: regardless of what we said in private, we'd still be talking about him behind his back, and that seemed unfair. So I'm going to pass on your offer. But I've really enjoyed our occasional private conversations about magic and other topics, and hope that we'll continue them. Best wishes to all. Bob |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Bob, One Eyed Jack Sandwich is a killer.
Preferred One Eyed Jack Sandwich from JawDroppers produces the displaced card from the performer's pocket or wallet. It is a great trick and I thought it was the ultimate version of this classic- until I learned Killer Sandwich from And Finally! The magician's card ends up sandwiched and the selection is produced from the wallet. You'll be hard pressed to decide which you like best- all three are Reputation Makers! The first two use the Halo Cut and the last one mentioned uses a HaLo Cut Cop (a favourite sleight of the great Martin Nash). Bob, There are so many other great effects using this move and having it in your arsenal will see you adding it to effects from the old texts as well as creating your own. It truly is a wonderful utility move. And as you astutely observed and Mr. Lorayne has written, if you are using a get-ready (a la Giobbi) you are not doing the HaLo Cut. Good luck to you sir! |
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Bob G Inner circle 2831 Posts |
Thanks so much, magicfish. This is a great list. I look forward to learning these effects gradually, as time and increasing sophistication permit.
Best Regards, Bob |
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