On Nov 12, 2018, landmark wrote:
... In fact, part of the point of the American Revolution was that some didn't believe in an aristocracy where some were treated better than others.

On Nov 12, 2018, Jonathan Townsend wrote:

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On Nov 12, 2018, landmark wrote:
...No, not simple when the system is set up so that most people...

So, what are you doing to establish and alternative that folks might find appealing?

And in the mean time are you propagating "the system"? Indoctrinating others into "the system"?

Getting back to the OP and his valid question - if the minimum wage goes up - I'm guessing prices would go up as well.

On Nov 12, 2018, Jonathan Townsend wrote:

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On Nov 12, 2018, landmark wrote:
... In fact, part of the point of the American Revolution was that some didn't believe in an aristocracy where some were treated better than others.

Not sure about that landmark. Which revolution was that? We hold these truths to be self evident, so get to the back of the bus and go back to your owner and master, Mister Douglas.

On Nov 9, 2018, funsway wrote:
The answer is for the individual to make themselves worth more - not to expect more for doing less.

On Nov 13, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
It's already been established that more worth of an employee DOESN'T necessarily equal higher wages. The job market and unemployment rate, as well as many other factors, will affect what employers are willing to pay.

On Nov 13, 2018, Intrepid wrote:

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On Nov 13, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
It's already been established that more worth of an employee DOESN'T necessarily equal higher wages. The job market and unemployment rate, as well as many other factors, will affect what employers are willing to pay.

Nothing in life is guaranteed, except death and taxes. And life is a constant struggle of ups and down. But those that try have a better shot than those that don't.

On Nov 11, 2018, landmark wrote:

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Median income $60K, $30hr. It means nothing in practical terms for the vast majority of workers.

Citations please.

On Nov 12, 2018, landmark wrote:

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So the owners needs are met. Since they own the company.

Good, so we're getting a little bit closer to the truth--under the present system the personal needs that are being met are the Owners' needs, not the Workers' needs.

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You don't like it? Don't work for them. It is really simple.

No, not simple when the system is set up so that most people must work for others in order to survive, while others--yes, the 1%--get all of their personal needs met. Most civilized folks for the last few centuries have agreed--in rhetoric at least--that the idea of Royalty, the idea of a special class which gets their personal needs met while the rest struggle to meet the basic needs of life, is something that should have gone out with the French Revolution.

So your question again about the exact dollar amount of the minimum wage--I see you want to know if I have I stopped beating my wife, yes or no.

Until businesses are owned, operated, and run collectively, the minimum wage should be--as has been stated many times before in this thread--an amount that allows a worker to live a sustainable life. As has been pointed out above, again many times, the poverty line calculations exist, as do calculations that are some multiple of that.

Yes, you can throw in the tired red herring that localities differ as to their standards of living. Anyone who is actually interested in helping people would know that can be dealt with in many ways, rather than use it as an excuse to do nothing.

On Nov 13, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
It's already been established that more worth of an employee DOESN'T necessarily equal higher wages. The job market and unemployment rate, as well as many other factors, will affect what employers are willing to pay.

On Nov 11, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
It's not just need. It's a government consensus of what a fair minimum wage is for, a minimum standard of work. If employers can't afford the wage, they need to find another option for the work. Things like robotics or other automation. Outsourcing, is another tool.

On Nov 15, 2018, The Hermit wrote:

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On Nov 13, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
It's already been established that more worth of an employee DOESN'T necessarily equal higher wages. The job market and unemployment rate, as well as many other factors, will affect what employers are willing to pay.

Wrong. An employee's worth to the company always equals his wage. That is the very essence of paying people to work for you. The value of any product is about it's value to YOU.

On Nov 15, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
It dsoesn't.

On Nov 15, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
But that's of no importance to the employer, who wants to be cost consensus.

On Nov 15, 2018, S2000magician wrote:

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On Nov 15, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
It dsoesn't.

Precisely.

So . . . you agree that raising the minimum wage doesn't help minimum wage employees. At least, not on the whole.

On Nov 15, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
But that's of no importance to the employer, who wants to be cost consensus.

I presume that you meant "conscious", not "consensus".

Only that, again, economic interference that's supposed to help employees ends up hurting them.

On Nov 15, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:

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On Nov 15, 2018, S2000magician wrote:

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On Nov 15, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
It dsoesn't.

Precisely.

So . . . you agree that raising the minimum wage doesn't help minimum wage employees. At least, not on the whole.

I agree if the business is incapable of absorbing the minimum wage

On Nov 16, 2018, S2000magician wrote:

What do you mean by "incapable"?

On Nov 16, 2018, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
Can''t afford or won't afford the wage.