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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
After watching the video I REALLY like this a LOT.
Great idea and execution! By execution I am referring to the handling as taught by Ryan Schlutz. I have not received the actual gimmicks yet so I cannot comment on their quality but my guess is that they are going to be excellent. I don't have Face Off so I cannot comment on which I prefer or which one offers more advantages. But I'm extremely happy with Siamese Waltz. I just can't see doing any other T&R card now. Although I'm sure I will still continue to do Revive occasionally. IMO, this is so much better as an impossible object giveaway than Anniversary Waltz. Very Highly Recommended! |
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Dannyflek Regular user 179 Posts |
Hi Videoman thanks for your post , how long do you think it would to take remake a gimmick yourself if you say loved arts and crafts ? Is this explained in depth in the tutorial ?
It looks amazing and better than face off imo |
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
Haven’t had time to watch the construction video so really can’t answer with certainty. But my guess is that it would take 20 to 30 minutes for your first one and then quickly get down to under 5 minutes once you get the hang of it. This of course will vary with how much experience you already have in this type of thing to begin with.
Personally I will just buy them ready made assuming the quality is good. I don’t perform this or any routine enough to bother with making them. |
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Dannyflek Regular user 179 Posts |
Thank you very much Videoman
I am going to get this now as I would personally want to do this effect to every single group as it looks insanely strong |
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Nat Special user 566 Posts |
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AutarchicFlux Special user 583 Posts |
Loving this effect. I don’t really want to construct gimmicks myself, though. What’s the word on refills for this?
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
Unfortunately, several of the gimmmicks I received seemed sloppily made (misaligned edges). This means that what you hand out to the spectator becomes a puzzle that they will likely quickly solve. In fact, one of the biggest strengths of the classic Anniversary Waltz over this is that, unless one is familiar with double-facers (I’ve yet to meet a layperson who is), there is no puzzle to solve. You begin with two apparently separate signed cards that fuse into a single card. In the case of Siamese Waltz, you begin and end with two cards, albeit altered, leaving the spectator with all the pieces necessary to possibly unravel the mystery. And especially if they are poorly made.
It's all in the reflexes.
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deanr201 New user 67 Posts |
Strangely I found the opposite have had a few laypeople comment that I must of switched their cards for a "special card" (yet they would go further into detail and couldn't give an explanation other than the special card had their signatures on it!, even trying to question they confused them selves further but "knew" it was a special card apparently.
. While I don't have Siamese Waltz I have got Face-Off. Even having one set of spectators trying to destroy their cards to see how it was stuck together they still couldn't explain how it could be done as there was "nothing to see" I will be picking up Siamese Waltz so I can see Bennie's handling of it in detail and see how much it differs from Face-off and I'll use which ever suits me best. Will I still do a standard Anniversary Waltz of course I will but its nice to have options! |
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AutarchicFlux Special user 583 Posts |
Anybody gotten good at making these who might be willing to sell completed gimmicks at a reasonable price?
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3052 Posts |
Has any tried the Loyd Barnes gaff method as taught in Face Off by E? Im not great at this stuff but that’s how I’ve been doing it and they come out pretty good.
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
The problem is that the restoration does not occur along the tear (on one side). It’s clearly restored behind the layer of the tear. I’ve no doubt the initial impact will be strong, but a moment’s close examination and holding the evidences up to each other will yield the solution. You’ve left a bread crumb trail straight to it. Others have already mentioned people suggesting it must be a ‘special card’. If they’re already that far down the road, then it’s a very tiny leap to discover just what kind of special card. Essentially, it reveals that cars ar made up of layers, something that perhaps doesn’t otherwise occur to laymen.
Now, none of this is necessarily bad. It just depends on what you want your magic to achieve. If you’re fine with (some) people sussing out the clever construction of the gimmick after giving them a momentary sense of astonishment, that’s cool. Nothing at all wrong with that. After all, they know it’s a trick. Having played with this for a bit, I do not think it’s an advancement on Anniversary Waltz. I think it’s a step backward, in terms of effect.
It's all in the reflexes.
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deanr201 New user 67 Posts |
I meant I had some question the double face being a "special card" when doing a standard AW. Strangely no one has question the two cards when doing doing the TnR version (face-off style for me).
One thing I have found though older generation seem to prefer a standard AW and the younger like the TnR plot, Again only my findings. As I stated this is just my findings from doing AW and Face-off (as we know very similar effect if not almost identical Siamese Waltz, and again my opinion on only owning one at the moment so I cant say which is better) but from construction my gimmicks I have made and tearing it, mine do tear almost perfectly. I have found its best to tear a little one way and then tear a little the other (so pulling with right hand first and then tearing pulling the left hand) so that you get a nice even tear with out the "lip" I hope to pick Siamese Waltz up soon so I can compare it to Face-off in all aspects. Please don't take this post as me saying Face-off is superior I don't know which was created first but I will be supporting both creators. |
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Dannyflek Regular user 179 Posts |
Thanks for the input Dean and that makes perfect sense with the tearing and sounds a great tip .
I certainly think the vertical tearing of Siamese twins and watching the demos of both makes it look a lot better at least imo |
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deanr201 New user 67 Posts |
I would say it seems easier when doing it horizontal (aka Face off) as the tear is much smaller and you more card to hold on to.
I'm not sure if my vertical gimmicks are the same as Siamese Waltz or not (hopefully I'll find out when its back in stock!) but I can highly recommend taking your time with the tear and alternating which way you tear makes for a cleaner line. |
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Dannyflek Regular user 179 Posts |
Thanks Dean , just to clarify I prefer the look of the vertical tear if it’s as practical
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fcchief1 Loyal user 256 Posts |
I got this (Siamese Waltz) and watched all the way thru then tried to make a few of the gimmicks up. I also sprung for Face Off and have watched that and made a couple gimmicks up per his instruction. Now with SW I cannot get the smooth look, as in the cards I received. However I did find out a few things which Bennie told me when asking him a few questions. Would entail buying a few other items to do a DMT method. Now Face Off I made a few last night and looked at them today and they are pretty darn good looking. No tell tale of what is going on. I like both and will work to improve on making the gimmicks for Siamese Waltz. I have not performed either yet. They are both easy to make and maybe it is just me, but if anyone else has made the Siamese Waltz gimmicks up would like to hear what your thoughts are on this.
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3052 Posts |
I made the Siamese Gaffs as Loyd Barnes described in Face Off. The came out pretty good. This is the only way I make them.
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Dannyflek Regular user 179 Posts |
Personally I make them the full correct way for thinness of the end gaff , and I make them the same for both effects
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3052 Posts |
In fairness I have not purchased Siamese Waltz and just assumed by this thread that the construction of the gimmick is the same as Face Off. The Gimmick is as thick as two cards whether or not you use Loyd’s shortcut. At least that is my understanding
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fcchief1 Loyal user 256 Posts |
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On Nov 2, 2018, Xcath1 wrote: Will have to try the streamlined method. So far have just used the creators methods. |
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