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WTH is going on?
Are these effects/designs Public Domain?
Did they "belong" to Outlaw and Outlaw sold them?
Is this cool with everyone?


https://www.magicartifacts.com/product/knocker/
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If Iím not mistaken, this is a case of a talented and creative maker that once designed and produced pieces for OE who is now in business for himself.
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If Iím not mistaken, this is a case of a talented and creative maker that once designed and produced pieces for OE who is now in business for himself.

But these are not his designs....
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They resemble OE pieces, but are not OE pieces. I don't see what the problem is.
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If Iím not mistaken, this is a case of a talented and creative maker that once designed and produced pieces for OE who is now in business for himself.

But these are not his designs....


Do you care to elaborate?
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By what I read, these are unique to this designer and those making them. The internals are nothing like the OE designs and the appearance is singular. I don't see a problem either.
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No problems here, either. Iíve seen their stuff in person and itís high quality. Their table was very busy at Bizarre Hauntings. Itís great to see a designer doing well on his own.

The novelty reflected in such designs as their HH Holmes desk cabinet is not to be understated.
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While the new ideas look great, I have to agree with Sponge that some of the reverse-engineered (or newly engineered) ideas that are originally from Tim W. are disappointing to see. Arenít these Timís unique ideas and hard work? The Knocker is a perfect example.
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Don't agree as that would apply to almost anything out there. The rapping hand, for example, has been around for at least 100 years. Someone put electronics into it. Does that mean it is ineligible to be done? If the door knocker has been newly engineered, then that is fine. You cannot copyright a concept.
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Right.

How about Out of this World? There are numerous "magic" versions and numerous "bizarre" versions!

We gonna start a Paul Curry thread?
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They resemble OE pieces, but are not OE pieces. I don't see what the problem is.


Looking at ebay I see lots of magic coming from China that "resembles" certain effects but are not those effects. You cool with that too?
Someone made some cards that "resembled" elite cuss cards but were not elite cuss cards. No problem, right?
Maybe I'll make an effect with musket balls and a box. It'll "resemble" a Gemini Effects effect, but will not be. No problem, right?
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By what I read, these are unique to this designer...

Really? OE was selling this knocker before he came on board.

https://www.magicartifacts.com/product/departed/
Is this unique to this "creative" designer?
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Right.

How about Out of this World? There are numerous "magic" versions and numerous "bizarre" versions!

We gonna start a Paul Curry thread?

No. My post/question is very specific. Try to focus and stay on topic.

But the lack of responses from the "bizarre community" is worrysome to me.
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They resemble OE pieces, but are not OE pieces. I don't see what the problem is.


Looking at ebay I see lots of magic coming from China that "resembles" certain effects but are not those effects. You cool with that too?
Someone made some cards that "resembled" elite cuss cards but were not elite cuss cards. No problem, right?
Maybe I'll make an effect with musket balls and a box. It'll "resemble" a Gemini Effects effect, but will not be. No problem, right?


How about Out of this World? There are numerous "magic" versions and numerous "bizarre" versions!

We gonna start a Paul Curry thread?

I beg to differ. . .this is exactly the topic. If you wanna talk about only what you wanna talk about without any response, then go live in a vacuum.
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We gonna start a Paul Curry thread?

I beg to differ. . .this is exactly the topic. If you wanna talk about only what you wanna talk about without any response, then go live in a vacuum.


no. sigh. this isn't the same thing. The issue is mainly about design, art. I gave examples of the same thing which you chose to ignore.

But to answer your question, it appears the magic community considers the plot of "Out of This World" to be public domain. Thus, the many variations.
And also part of my question asked. So, now you'll respond to my questions, right?


Again, hoping more (and perhaps the builder) will chime in.
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My own opinion is I see nothing wrong in taking a concept and developing new engineering for it. Look at how many spirit bells are out there. All the same concept yet all have - hopefully - different engineering. Now if I copy someone else's engineering and produce that, then yes, that is not acceptable.
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That's your opinion. And, I've given mine.

As you state, let's see if anyone else has anything to say.
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Don't agree as that would apply to almost anything out there. The rapping hand, for example, has been around for at least 100 years. Someone put electronics into it. Does that mean it is ineligible to be done? If the door knocker has been newly engineered, then that is fine. You cannot copyright a concept.


Never said it could be copyrighted, nor mentioned the legality behind it. Iím talking simply about whatís right and whatís wrong, and maybe more so about whatís creative and whatís not. Weíre comparing an electronic door knocker to an electronic door knocker.....with a similar design, a similar shape, and a similar stand. The various spirit bells I've seen at least have differing designs that make them unique.

Regarding OOTW variants, is Tim at least credited? Cause you canít tell me OOTW variant effects are not credited to Curry

Iím sure Chris is a nice guy, and I may very well purchase some of his more original effects. But I definitely see the points made by the original poster
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