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123majik123 Regular user nowhere 180 Posts |
Hey guys, Im currently working on RGM from luke jermays work. Just quickly, out of curiosity how often do people get this to work. Certainly from reading building blocks and watching lukes dvd it seems like it is a piece of cake? what were everyone else success ratio.
Also once the spec has the suggestion that you can make him forget things would it then be possible to make him forget his name using the same kind of method. If I start of with suggestablitly test describe in mcgill (falling test arm levitaion etc) Would this make the effect easier. And finally just again from trying to understand suggestion a bit more, how come on the tube in Browns routine he does not seem to follow the same kind of ideas? his suggestion routine, implatation etc seem ionly to take a few seconds and its done! Or am I being really stupid and is there loads of editing go on. (likewise with the bending forks which I assume is simliar to a twisted palm, brown takes a few seconds whilst jermay takes a lot longer!) Is this editing or technique? Cheers! |
MIC Regular user 169 Posts |
123majik123... I just had a quick look in building blocks and RGM is not there... anyway you can find it in 7 deceptions... there you can also find some of Knepper's comments on derren's tube station style effect. it will most definately answer your questions.
if you have the video of the bending forks you will see that it is indeed heavily edited... but also do not forget that the suggestion part of it could have started long before the girls sat on the table. to tell you the truth I have olny tried RGM once... and the suggestion part was not succesful... it left the guy confused so it seemed to work for everybody else... which is good... and in the end it left him very uncertain of what had really happened... anyway have a look in 7 deceptions. I think it will help. M I C |
Scott Xavier Inner circle 3672 Posts |
I have tried it several times, you have to see the effect on a bigger level. The dual/duel reality principle and how it looks to an audience (If you perform it whole heartedly and correctly) makes it seem like a miracle happened.
To quote Taco Bell: Think outside the bun. Add some flair to the routine and drop suggestions before and after about confusion and being able to alter perceptions etc... |
jasper Regular user 189 Posts |
There is an effect in Osterlinds perfect centre tear booklet that is similar to RGM in that the spectator forgets two cards they are holding in their hand! He mentions that if the spectator has a certain look in their eye you can then suggest that they cannot remember their name!
A very strange end to a card trick! Never tried it though!
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glenn collins Regular user 111 Posts |
Have used RGM a few times, with varying levels of success. I think it works better if not done as a stand alone, the idea of suggestion and the receptiveness to suggestion of the spec plays a big part in the success of this routine. the good thing with the way Luke does it is the out if they do remember.
I have used it as part of a routine where I start with PK time, then go into a version of For Anrewsi (spelling ?) stopping my pulls - then getting a spec to stop someone else's pulls, then RGM as by this time they are really conditioned to suggestion as are the audience I then Finnish the routine with the version of Twisted palm published in Building Blocks I think Luke called it something to do with a garden.... sorry Luke.. but with the suggestion routines it is best to build the idea and not just rush into it. But the principle that Luke has used to build RGM is not to dissimilar to that employed by instant induction used in hypnosis
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Looch Inner circle Off by 3362 Posts |
I found if you don't put emphasis on them rememebering the actual card that increases your hit rate also don't set this up to be a challenge as most people will sense this and purposely rememeber the card...i find if you make it out to be an experiement you are trying together as a team then that will help, also complimenting them before hand ie "im sure your going to do great" can help them aswell
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Dario_Bauer Regular user glasgow 109 Posts |
I have tried it with a few friends, as a stand alone, on people who know me, so it was unlikely to work, but the out of using the forgetting the card as a decoy for the manipulation of perception that you do worked just fine. It was still a strong and dramatic effect, even though they never forgot it, when it doesn't work you really should put as much into the out as you would have the original effect. If you do that, then you can keep on performing it till you get the right results, without worrying about the misses.
As for Derren on the train, most people who are regularly on public transport are practically in a trance already(like the thing he done with the women waiting in a train station, who witnessed a guy running into an old lady). Add that to the pressure and confusion of a camera crew, good selection and the fact that Derren is very good at this, considering that, it's not surprising it worked. I don't think there was any editing went on from the time he walks up to them to the time they forget the station, but perhaps they never showed you all of the takes that never worked, but I doubt there were too many. Does anyone think replacing the small push of the finger with a more forceful downward push of the whole hand would be beneficial in creating more confusion, or would that confusion be too visible.
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Colin Inner circle Las Vegas 1355 Posts |
Funny how one day Mr. Bauer you are telling people off for exposing Derren Brown's methods (see the post Derren Brown trick—psychological or trick?) and the next, you are giving away what may be the intimate details of a Derren Brown effect...have you no shame!
:D Colin On the topic of RGM however, it truely is a devistating effect. You simply need to be in the frame of mind for it to work- that is that you have full belief in that you are about to make them forget their card- and they shall forget it. All the little subtleties Mr. Jermay adds simply boosts the chances of it happening, however after a while of using it you will find that you no longer need these. I have also had fun with making people forget their names, same technique, as well as other bits of information. Just be confident... Best wishes, Colin
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Dario_Bauer Regular user glasgow 109 Posts |
Saying he choose an enviroment conducive to waking hypnosis, and that a camera crew applies more pressure (which he says himself in the commentry on the DVD) is hardly exposure. The point was to give an idea of the confusions going on, to help with RGM. Perhaps that was a little too much though, apologies.
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