On Aug 10, 2019, Chris John wrote:
Hi, I don't go on the Café often, and I hope this is the right place for this question. Please let me know if it is not.

I just purchased Metal 4 and would love to add some of the routines to my set. In particular, I was hoping to finish out the coin portion of my set by vanishing each coin using Jone's AGT vanishing sequence. Currently, I do not have a flipper and intend to buy an OxF set from Schoolcraft. I prefer to use, and currently do use, dollar size coins on account of their handling, greater visibility, and the fact that, in my opinion, they tend to produce more impressive vanishes and productions. My question is would Jones' AGT routine work with dollar sized coins? I worry that the flipper may be seen closing or wouldn't close quick enough on the vanishes where it is in the spectator's hands when using larger, dollar sized coins. Additionally, I could see a problem occurring during the second production in Oxy Clean in which the flipper could possibly poke through the fingers and be seen. Though, that could probably be overcome through angling the hand properly.

I've searched the internet for an answer to this question and have come up empty. I really do not want to spend $375 on Schoolcraft's OxF set and wait 5 weeks for it to arrive only to find that I can't do what I intended to with it. So, I would be very grateful if someone could share their knowledge and clear things up for me.

Thanks,
Chris

On Dec 12, 2019, Killintosh wrote:
It has been some time since this topic was last active, but I'd like to mention few things now that I've recently started doing Metal 4 routines.

Regarding the coins:
I've been doing lot's of Eric's routines for the past year or two and when using gimmicked coins, I've been using magnetic OXF from Roy Kuppers. The quality is very good as far as my spectators are concerned. Nobody has ever suspected anything, but since it is a Normal Kenedy one, it talks. I have a non-magnetic !@#$*r from TANGO, and that was waste of money. I am generally planning on buying Barbers or Morgans OXF from Schoolcraft. The chinese gimmicks that are online and are cheap are not made of real coins and even if they are very cheap, please don't waste your few bucks on them. I had and they all gather dust at home. I wouldn't even suggest practicing with them.
As mentioned above, things that Eric does with half dollars look great and maybe that size will be very suitable for the routines in spectators hands. Regardless, as a coin guy who does mostly dollars, I would recommend you to get yourself something that suits your general preference for coins. I bought mine OXF before I settle on Morgans as my main coins and now I would gladly get myself Morgan OXF to replace the Kenedy.

Regarding the routine where coins vanish from spectators hands:
I love it, but now that some time has passed an you also might have done it some times, please help me with something.
The last coin... how to vanish it? The way Eric does it is not right in my opinion. First the reappearance on the shoulder brakes the whole effect of "coins vanish one after another". Secondly, first 3 coins vanish in spectator hands and the last one trough slight of hand. Since I am asking for direct explanation on how to make a miracle, I guess you could DM me. I would love the input. I have an idea I will try out soon, but I won't post it here for now.

Regarding the whole project:
Amazing! Very well thought of, sources are mentioned, it elevates ones coin magic to the next level. Love it and highly recommend it!

All the best!
Toni

On Dec 13, 2019, Killintosh wrote:
Hi Michael!

My problem is that I want it to also vanish from spectators hand, but miming that it's in my hand seems to not be enough because after the false transfer they don't see it or feel it. A magician from the club suggested that I press harder in their hand and pause to create the magical moment at that instance, but still it didn't fit. For the last few hours I've been working on a "gimmick" let's say. Reel with a coin. Tonight I will be performing it again and now my intention is for them to have the coin in the hand as I press on it, and on the count of 3, I snap my fingers and lift and the coin is gone. While trying it on my desk, it seems pretty neat. Unfortunately it takes away a bit of the compact nature of the trick where all you need is the bag of coins in your pocket, but sacrifices must be made to elevate the effect to the next level I guess.
Still I need to mention, that routine is one of the most beautiful and wonder-like coin effects I've seen and done next to Cylinder and Coins by Eric Mead (Tim Conover).

Cheers,
Toni