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George Ledo
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On Jan 3, 2019, Senor Fabuloso wrote:
Or, you can accomplish both and not only be a peer to your community but also be entertaining, to the public. I don't see it as an either or preposition.

If you read my post again, you'll notice I did not imply an either-or proposition.

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However, to equate what people like to what's good, doesn't hold water. Why? Because what one likes is subjective. It's personal preference and so it can't be objective.

Correct, and I didn't equate those two either. What I said was that ultimately the general public will decide what they like and therefore pay for, in terms of time or money or both, i.e., what they will accept and support. That's what show business is about.

Now, is magic, as performed for the general public, not part of show business? That's a whole other pointless conversation.

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I would venture to guess that the so called critics who evaluated the movies on your list were speaking from that position, not an artistic viewpoint?

The lists I saw online referred to movie critics who critique movies as a profession, not Joe Blows on the street. Besides, I would not "venture to guess" their motives without finding out their qualifications. This gets into the realm of "I loved what you said about my movie, therefore I think you're knowledgeable in the subject because you agree with me."

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The point again is that, there is a difference between what is "liked" and what is "good". Only those who understand the art, can make the determination objectively.

No argument there, but how would you convince a general audience that a trick or routine that the experts at the Magic Castle loved is "good" and therefore they should love it too, if they find it boring?

On that note, I will move on to some other thread. Smile
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I'm not trying to upset you and if I have misunderstood any thing you have posted? I apologize.

Artistically, I don't care what the public thinks. Financially, I do care what they think. You seem to have the two conflated? I don't need to convince the public of anything as my magic and now mentalism entertains them. My peers would also find my act constructively correct, making them admit the act "good" not only in it's execution but it's continuity. Both lay and enlightened, would be entertained by it. How do I know this? By the those who have come to see my show, saying so. I also did many years of research to make sure that I followed the "rules of performance" to make sure that the act worked both constructively and entertainingly.

This isn't a hard concept to understand. We have all seen performers who can do tricks and get good responses, from the audience because they like what they see. It's quite another thing to experience a show on a visceral level. it's the latter that would be critiqued as a good show by anyone, in the biz.
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It's amazing how many of Senors OPINIONS he tries desperately to present as factual. Wise move George. Even citing things that were never said. Wise move George
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No worries, Senor Fabuloso, and I'm not upset. No apologies needed. AFAIK, disagreeing with somebody, or not understanding them, is still okay in our society. Smile
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It's amazing how mindp tries to discredit me when I don't care. With so many business and gigs you got to ask yourself, where does he find the time? LOL
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Thank you Mr. Ledo you are a gentleman.
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A magician ought to understand there is very little that escapes the understanding of his audience and act accordingly. The magician, who does not understand that and underestimates the intelligence of his audience, is bound to present dumbed down entertainment to fit the bill.
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On Dec 3, 2018, WitchDocChris wrote:
I think the problem is, when it comes to magicians, the hasty generalizations and assumptions are so often true.

I ask a lot of people what they think when I say the word "magician" - I try to do this when I first meet them, just to sort of test the waters, before they realize how involved with magic I am. The responses are almost never positive. Most are more or less neutral, quite a few are actively negative. Even my former roommate, who absolutely LOVES watching magic, thinks magicians tend to be socially awkward and weird. This is a woman who will be actively angry if you expose a trick to her, because she enjoys having no idea how it works so much.

Regardless of the fact that there are many people who are magicians who are perfectly pleasant socially, regardless of the fact that making fun of others is lame - I do agree with the others that it's important to understand what the general public thinks of "magician". If most people think magicians are awkward nerds - then that's the perception we have to understand is present.


I have to say that you hit it in the bull's-eye! Here is an observation about Shin Lim, who with some Oris hair-talc and working on his 'gaze', we have a nerd, in essence, who found a way out of the brain-set of that awkward element you so poignantly reference.

And I must also say, although this is probably not the perfect place, that as a newcomer I so very much enjoy the great crowd and astute contributors that assemble to make it so worthwhile to be a Magician! Thank you EVERYONE!
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I think they make fun of magicians because they don't actually understand what we do. They don't know about the magic creation process or the practice it takes so they just think why would anyone show tricks for a living.
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