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Justin Lewis
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Posted: Dec 9, 2018 07:13 pm
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It is an interesting ploy! Some like it and some don't. Some come here an act as an authority which I always find fascinating. Maybe I am doing that in a way now lol
There are some big workers using this and maybe they can make it work.. maybe not, we shall see! so.. maybe maybe maybe....
As for watches that don't open like this..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FNFNxctYAQ
I think the fun part of what we do is finding logical reason why we are using what we have on us when we perform. Its all illogical if you really step back and think about it! lol We deal with toys to entertain people which is fun!
I am no Derren Brown but he and his team find very interesting ways of using stage magic and turning them into wonderful mentalism routines.. easier said then done though!
“The tragedy of life is not that it ends so soon, but that we wait so long to begin it.”- Anonymous
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JackMagic
Inner circle
1982 Posts
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Posted: Dec 9, 2018 07:25 pm
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Quote: On Dec 9, 2018, Craig Petty wrote:
I’m sorry but I’m confused about the trick. I’m a big fan of João and own a lot of his products but this makes no sense.
First of all I don’t understand why the prediction or borrowed object is going into an obviously fake watch. As soon as you open it they will realise that it isn’t a real watch and instead is just a thing to make the object appear in. It just seems very fake.
Secondly where is this going to be performed? It’s not practical for close up or table magic. There’s no way you are going to carry that thing round from table to table. There are better solutions for the plot of you are working a big stage. Which leaves parkour or small cabaret. And whilst it would work for this environmental there are solutions that epilepsy work just as well.
The mentalism routine just seems added on to show that other stuff can be put in the watch. But really opening up a watch to show a written prediction. It’s stupid. And really is that better than something like No Brainer or posting a prediction to the client before the show. If the watch was referenced in some way perhaps it would make sense. But look at the mentalism routine. The watch has no purpose other than to contain the prediction which is stupid. Has ANYONE EVER seen a watch like that before? There are so many lore natural objects for a prediction or borrowed object to appear in. And for those that have said here is no logic to something appearing in a lemon - that’s true. However at least people can relate to a lemon and know what a lemon is. As supposed to an obviously fake watch.
People seem to be raving about this because of the clever method. I have no doubt that this is going to be very clever. However I would never say to my audience. This trick is very illogical but the method is AWESOME. I don’t care about the method I care about the perceived effect on the audience. There loads of ways I would prefer to reveal a borrowed ring than this. Way more logical props that just make sense.
This just seems to solve a problem that wasn’t there in the first place.
I don’t always agree with Craig’s view but he is on the money with this !
If you compare with the turner watch , that is far more practical and logical!
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Magicmike34
New user
34 Posts
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Posted: Dec 9, 2018 07:37 pm
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Quote: On Dec 9, 2018, Craig Petty wrote:
I’m sorry but I’m confused about the trick. I’m a big fan of João and own a lot of his products but this makes no sense.
First of all I don’t understand why the prediction or borrowed object is going into an obviously fake watch. As soon as you open it they will realise that it isn’t a real watch and instead is just a thing to make the object appear in. It just seems very fake.
Secondly where is this going to be performed? It’s not practical for close up or table magic. There’s no way you are going to carry that thing round from table to table. There are better solutions for the plot of you are working a big stage. Which leaves parkour or small cabaret. And whilst it would work for this environmental there are solutions that epilepsy work just as well.
The mentalism routine just seems added on to show that other stuff can be put in the watch. But really opening up a watch to show a written prediction. It’s stupid. And really is that better than something like No Brainer or posting a prediction to the client before the show. If the watch was referenced in some way perhaps it would make sense. But look at the mentalism routine. The watch has no purpose other than to contain the prediction which is stupid. Has ANYONE EVER seen a watch like that before? There are so many lore natural objects for a prediction or borrowed object to appear in. And for those that have said here is no logic to something appearing in a lemon - that’s true. However at least people can relate to a lemon and know what a lemon is. As supposed to an obviously fake watch.
People seem to be raving about this because of the clever method. I have no doubt that this is going to be very clever. However I would never say to my audience. This trick is very illogical but the method is AWESOME. I don’t care about the method I care about the perceived effect on the audience. There loads of ways I would prefer to reveal a borrowed ring than this. Way more logical props that just make sense.
This just seems to solve a problem that wasn’t there in the first place.
Sure.
What makes sense is marketing a trick that is not yours like you did before? LOL
You wish having half of Joao creativity.
RESPECT
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Craig Petty
V.I.P.
UK
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Posted: Dec 9, 2018 07:52 pm
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Quote: On Dec 9, 2018, Magicmike34 wrote:
Quote: On Dec 9, 2018, Craig Petty wrote:
I’m sorry but I’m confused about the trick. I’m a big fan of João and own a lot of his products but this makes no sense.
First of all I don’t understand why the prediction or borrowed object is going into an obviously fake watch. As soon as you open it they will realise that it isn’t a real watch and instead is just a thing to make the object appear in. It just seems very fake.
Secondly where is this going to be performed? It’s not practical for close up or table magic. There’s no way you are going to carry that thing round from table to table. There are better solutions for the plot of you are working a big stage. Which leaves parkour or small cabaret. And whilst it would work for this environmental there are solutions that epilepsy work just as well.
The mentalism routine just seems added on to show that other stuff can be put in the watch. But really opening up a watch to show a written prediction. It’s stupid. And really is that better than something like No Brainer or posting a prediction to the client before the show. If the watch was referenced in some way perhaps it would make sense. But look at the mentalism routine. The watch has no purpose other than to contain the prediction which is stupid. Has ANYONE EVER seen a watch like that before? There are so many lore natural objects for a prediction or borrowed object to appear in. And for those that have said here is no logic to something appearing in a lemon - that’s true. However at least people can relate to a lemon and know what a lemon is. As supposed to an obviously fake watch.
People seem to be raving about this because of the clever method. I have no doubt that this is going to be very clever. However I would never say to my audience. This trick is very illogical but the method is AWESOME. I don’t care about the method I care about the perceived effect on the audience. There loads of ways I would prefer to reveal a borrowed ring than this. Way more logical props that just make sense.
This just seems to solve a problem that wasn’t there in the first place.
Sure.
What makes sense is marketing a trick that is not yours like you did before? LOL
You wish having half of Joao creativity.
RESPECT
I put a post on a discussion forum discussing an effect. I make a very respectful post about my thoughts and you attack me. It’s people like you that give magicians a bad name.
You need to grow up and stop throwing insults around
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Justin Lewis
Special user
981 Posts
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Posted: Dec 9, 2018 07:55 pm
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Agreed! Respect and professional engagement is needed more and more in the virtual world.
“The tragedy of life is not that it ends so soon, but that we wait so long to begin it.”- Anonymous
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strollingmagician
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285 Posts
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Posted: Dec 9, 2018 08:29 pm
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Tommy Wonder would have loved this and I wish he could have seen it. Those of us who have been obsessed with Wonders Nest Of Boxes version lll for years will be getting Timeless. Ray Lum built a limited set of 10 Wonder props version lll for $30k each. A complete work of art. Here is video of it.
http://www.kmdfabrication.com/index.php/products
The $395 price is justified for Timeless.
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JackMagic
Inner circle
1982 Posts
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Posted: Dec 9, 2018 08:45 pm
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Quote: On Dec 9, 2018, strollingmagician wrote:
The $395 price is justified for Timeless.
Well in the UK you end up paying equal to USD474.00 from Saturn
So overall the turner watch even with the postage from us is better overall
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strollingmagician
Loyal user
285 Posts
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Posted: Dec 9, 2018 08:50 pm
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Timeless and the Turner Watch are two completely different effects. Let us stay focused on Timeless and keep our discussion on magic which is our happy place.
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Saturn UK
Inner circle
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Posted: Dec 9, 2018 08:57 pm
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Quote: On Dec 9, 2018, JackMagic wrote:
Quote: On Dec 9, 2018, strollingmagician wrote:
The $395 price is justified for Timeless.
Well in the UK you end up paying equal to USD474.00 from Saturn
So overall the turner watch even with the postage from us is better overall
Don't forget the VAT, all US prices are excluding tax!!!!
Our price is a direct conversion plus applicable tax which is the case in the US or any other country.
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saysold1
Eternal Order
Recovering Cafe addict with only
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Posted: Dec 9, 2018 09:29 pm
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Quote: On Dec 9, 2018, Ustaad wrote:
Quote: On Dec 9, 2018, Magicmike34 wrote:
Plus Murphy’s has a margin, then dealers have their margin.
So I am pretty sure the calculations are way different.
As I understand the magic finance game - Between the distributor, dealer and creator, the distributor and dealers eat away maximum of your hard earned money. Among the three, the creator earns the least - Unless of course, the creator himself markets and sells his own creation. It will be nice if somebody in the know can please clarify.
If my above assumption is correct, then one can understand as to WHY the distributors send in their agents to advertise a new release on such forums and elsewhere. And WHY the dealers jump-in to hype the product. I often hear people mention that we need to support the creator - - Well, IMO we are actually supporting the distributors and dealers.
Back on topic please.
All correct my friend Lets leave it at that.
There are also other factors like getting ahead of the wave before copies inevitably come out.
In the end creator's are on a 24-7 treadmill and must always be creating new items and inventions.
The initial release window is when creator's like Chris Philpott (or myself) can make some profit prior to wider distribution.
Creator of The SvenPad Supreme(R) line of aerospace level quality, made in the USA utility props. https://svenpads.com/
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warren
Inner circle
uk
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Posted: Dec 9, 2018 09:35 pm
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They are showing this on Saturn Magic at the moment and Joao is there to answer questions
Nice effect but not for me personally as it has a few restrictions that you don't get with a destination type box routine if using it for object to impossible location.
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JackMagic
Inner circle
1982 Posts
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Posted: Dec 9, 2018 09:48 pm
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No one in USA pays 20% Tax
And while benefit to you as a dealer makes it very expensive for people in the UK
I see you have ignored Craig Petty post and yet to give a good argument while this is better than anything else on the market
( while accepting the method might be very cool )
From the layman’s point of view this makes no odds at all
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MaxfieldsMagic
Inner circle
Instead of practicing, I made
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Posted: Dec 9, 2018 09:59 pm
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Just a thought re: routining. Maybe a spellbound where the coin vanishes and appears under your watch, followed by a ring on string ending with the ring appearing under the spectator’s watch, followed by a complete vanish with flash paper (or some other effect) with this as the kicker. Anyway, something like that would at least establish the watch as a theme, along with revelations of increasing impossibility.
Now appearing nightly in my basement.
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simplymagicweb
Inner circle
Norfolk, UK
1410 Posts
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Posted: Dec 9, 2018 10:34 pm
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I see this as more of a stand up item rather than for close up due to transportation and reset. I’d probably look to involve the watch as a time prediction and then explain why the watch had stopped, for the ring reveal perhaps? Could be nice as a single performance piece for a bride and groom perhaps too?
Anyway, it seems that the method is very clever and is a buying motive for many. Have fun.
Magically,
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DrRob
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Middle Chinnock
952 Posts
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Posted: Dec 9, 2018 10:43 pm
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Quote: On Dec 9, 2018, simplymagicweb wrote:
I see this as more of a stand up item rather than for close up due to transportation and reset. I’d probably look to involve the watch as a time prediction and then explain why the watch had stopped, for the ring reveal perhaps? Could be nice as a single performance piece for a bride and groom perhaps too?
Anyway, it seems that the method is very clever and is a buying motive for many. Have fun.
Think of a groom doing this at an actual wedding service - oops Ive lost the ring !! The minister goes this just came for you two - you can work out the rest ! Ha Ha
Regards
Dr Rob
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Saturn UK
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2658 Posts
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Posted: Dec 9, 2018 10:49 pm
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Quote: On Dec 9, 2018, JackMagic wrote:
No one in USA pays 20% Tax
And while benefit to you as a dealer makes it very expensive for people in the UK
I see you have ignored Craig Petty post and yet to give a good argument while this is better than anything else on the market
( while accepting the method might be very cool )
From the layman’s point of view this makes no odds at all
I'm pointing out the price includes UK tax and if anyone in the US buys it they get it tax free from us.
I did not ignore Craigs post, I commented.
I can't be bothered to go through all his points but I disagree with most.
I don't post much on the Café, we are so busy in the shop I'm still here now at 10.45pm on a Sunday night working, customers have been ringing me after the Facebook live I have just done on Timeless.
I'm truly going to try and leave this topic alone, I've said what in have to say and if anyone does not like the trick I respect their opinion.
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Jack Straw
Inner circle
Wichita
1020 Posts
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Posted: Dec 9, 2018 11:16 pm
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You don't post much on The Café?
Really?
I hope that helps.
Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down
And dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down
Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light
One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving much too slow
We can share the women, we can share the wine
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academy
Veteran user
394 Posts
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Posted: Dec 9, 2018 11:46 pm
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Quote: On Dec 9, 2018, Craig Petty wrote:
I’m sorry but I’m confused about the trick. I’m a big fan of João and own a lot of his products but this makes no sense.
First of all I don’t understand why the prediction or borrowed object is going into an obviously fake watch. As soon as you open it they will realise that it isn’t a real watch and instead is just a thing to make the object appear in. It just seems very fake.
Secondly where is this going to be performed? It’s not practical for close up or table magic. There’s no way you are going to carry that thing round from table to table. There are better solutions for the plot of you are working a big stage. Which leaves parkour or small cabaret. And whilst it would work for this environmental there are solutions that epilepsy work just as well.
The mentalism routine just seems added on to show that other stuff can be put in the watch. But really opening up a watch to show a written prediction. It’s stupid. And really is that better than something like No Brainer or posting a prediction to the client before the show. If the watch was referenced in some way perhaps it would make sense. But look at the mentalism routine. The watch has no purpose other than to contain the prediction which is stupid. Has ANYONE EVER seen a watch like that before? There are so many lore natural objects for a prediction or borrowed object to appear in. And for those that have said here is no logic to something appearing in a lemon - that’s true. However at least people can relate to a lemon and know what a lemon is. As supposed to an obviously fake watch.
People seem to be raving about this because of the clever method. I have no doubt that this is going to be very clever. However I would never say to my audience. This trick is very illogical but the method is AWESOME. I don’t care about the method I care about the perceived effect on the audience. There loads of ways I would prefer to reveal a borrowed ring than this. Way more logical props that just make sense.
This just seems to solve a problem that wasn’t there in the first place.
I agree with Craig on all sides. Making a ring appear inside a wrist watch doesn't make sense. Moreover the effect is bulky for closeup and not visible enough for an audience in bigger venues. This is one of the few examples where the method seems far stronger than the effect.
The fact that the demo stresses how high tech it is makes it clear creators are aiming at the magic geeks rather than the showmen.
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Angelo Carbone
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1475 Posts
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Posted: Dec 10, 2018 01:40 am
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So maybe instead of unscrewing the back plate, one should get the penknife used to cut open the outer box and use the blade to snap off the back cover (with difficulty). This would them mirror what happens with real watches and how to remove the back cover. Makes it more convincing?
Also, for those who say why does a ring, coin or piece of paper appear in a watch, then perhaps as a routine - show a large flat round watch battery (akin to a coin) and have the battery signed. The battery vanishes and appears... back in the watch.
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Kozmo
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Posted: Dec 10, 2018 02:17 am
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I'm going to carry this on the reel magic marketplace....I have good info that this is fantastic
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