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RodrigoGrando Loyal user Pennsylvania 226 Posts |
- "Hey, here is a beautiful gift box with a beautiful Watch."
- "No, wait, you cannot have the watch. It is not a gift." |
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Magicmike34 New user 34 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2018, magicinsight wrote: Of course YES!!!! ROFTL |
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magicinsight Inner circle 4293 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2018, Magicmike34 wrote: My 16 year old son looked at these demo videos and he said he prefers Ring Flite Revolution for clsoe-up and parlour as the latter appears more natural and less than a prop.
“Belief matters more than truth. Every moment, belief in imaginary things alters lives while truth sits unnoticed and waits.”
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Nathan Alexander Inner circle 2021 Posts |
I would also love to know if this is the watch that was being discussed as an addition to the moving time kind of effects. If this was the effect he was working on, it's great, but I want me some PK Time effects.
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innercirclewannabe Inner circle Ireland 1597 Posts |
Why oh why do they have to show the mechanics at play? Not a hope now would I buy it now. A quick google search can ruin the illusion. Sad trend and totally unnecessary.
Tá sé ach cleas má dhéanann tú sé cuma mhaith ar cheann.
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Saturn UK Inner circle 2658 Posts |
This is amazing.
I've done 3 shows with it this week and reactions have been nothing short of outstanding. This can be done close up but all my performances were for bigger audiences 50 -70 people. I also do ring in Gumball machine so I did not hesitate to get one of these for when there is not quite enough room to set it up in smaller venues. Expensive? I think not it is a quality piece of magic, a flap card trick can cost £30-£40 compared to that this is a bargain. We have it listed here and I recorded a video with my initial thoughts on this as well. https://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/saturn-mag......ion.html Once in a while something good comes along and this is it.
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jaizon Inner circle By time you read this I will have 1552 Posts |
I do not want this post to offend anyone, but when someone has a vested interest in a product, as seller, .e.g., I tend to give their review less weight. This does not mean I think they are being dishonest, but I have a hard time separating the two. I much prefer real world, non-paid, non-comped reviews. That being said, this looks quite interesting for the right venue. It is clearly not for walk around, which is pretty self-evident. Mr. Miranda has a long history of producing outstanding products that are well made and very useable. Timeless seems to fall well within that history. My only concern at the moment is how well does the backplate fit into the main body of the watch. Is the point where they meet when closed pretty much seamless? I couldn't tell from the video.
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Joe Roberts Special user 860 Posts |
There are a number of interesting or meaningful places a spectators ring could reappear. Inside a watch is not one of them.
I'm sure the method is clever though, if that's your thing. |
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paperinick Inner circle my faro is starting to look nice after 1177 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2018, Joe Roberts wrote:
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death my right to say "scr*w you" if you persist. [Voltaire ]
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Saturn UK Inner circle 2658 Posts |
I also have £3500 worth of Matthew Wright's Wonder Phone, object impossible location is very strong, many things don't make sense in magic, it does not have to it's about the entertianmemt.
I must admit I am growing tired of hearing, oh you are dealer I don't trust your view. I have a long reputation on here and never come on like certain dealers trying to push the latest rubbish on you. I posted something everyone was missing on the Thumb Tip ignitor topic and still I was not believed, now it has been realised I was telling the truth! You guys need to realise not every dealer is desperate to make a sale and that is the very reason we opened our shop because of the shady practices of others and I'm sure you know who they are when they come on every week push the latest rubbish to be released. When ever I say an item is good believe me it is, but you probably won't!!!
www.saturnmagic.co.uk
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Joe Roberts Special user 860 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2018, Saturn UK wrote: But "the entertainment" is increased by having a meaningful effect rather than an arbitrary one. |
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Saturn UK Inner circle 2658 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2018, Joe Roberts wrote: It depends what you do with it. I have a meaningful routine so it makes sense, I must admit the ones given I don't like which is why our customers are given my meaningful routine free of charge for supporting us and some bonus extras free of charge. Knock this all you want those that work and can construct their own routines will know the value of this. I really am struggling to see how anyone can not be impressed with this. Maybe it is just too expensive for some and they have to find fault with it somehow, that happens a lot on here which is why I don't post much. Joao has done an awesome job here which is why I'm here saying so, but it won't be here for long I'm sure, I've said what I truly believe and I've used this live in shows, it is brilliant.
www.saturnmagic.co.uk
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Chris Jones Elite user 468 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2018, Saturn UK wrote: You are a dealer and your opinion carries less weight. |
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Saturn UK Inner circle 2658 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2018, Chris Jones wrote: And I know why, because most dealers lie just to make sale yet you still buy off them and they are still in business. Why do people keep buying off dealers that push the latest rubbish items on them is beyond me. Those that know me know that is not the case with me. I would have though after 7 years the word would be spreading but I guess not. You all trust Ustaad ask him what he thinks of me!
www.saturnmagic.co.uk
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
Positives.
Well constructed Great reactions Negatives. Too expensive Too bulky for most magi. |
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Joe Roberts Special user 860 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2018, Saturn UK wrote: Oh, that's cute. We must not like it because we're poor! Great argument. You're the only person here whose opinion on this is based on finances. You're desperately trying to make this sound good so you can make a nickel off of it. You know for a fact no one is going to lug this thing around in a walk-around situation. And anyone with their own parlor show isn't going to want to do something so arbitrary and meaningless (other than you). There's a reason all the ad copy has been about how cool the METHOD is, and that's because the EFFECT sucks. Anyone who has seen a watch for three seconds will recognize this is an obviously fake watch with an extra large casing in the back to hold a ring. That's not how watches are made. So now you have a meaningless trick with a fake looking prop. And the worst part is, it doesn't look that impossible. He handles the box and the watch quite a bit in the demo. If the ring gets loaded automatically he should be much more hands off with everything. I'm not interested in getting in arguments on magic message boards, so you can have the last word. In fact before I go allow me to agree with your floundering attempts to justify this purchase: If you think Ring to Phony Watch is a great trick, then I'm sure this is $400 well spent. |
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PendletonThe3rd Special user 973 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2018, Saturn UK wrote: Not to belabor an earlier comment I made but the answer is simple...because high tech gadgetry doesn't conceal the fact this is an overproduced way to to accomplish a ring flight. And a nonsensical one at that. Why would a watch have a space for things like a ring to end up inside of it? Specs will assume it's something purchased from Saturn Magic as a result..because clearly, it is not an organic item...like say Departure, or RFR, or ProFlite, or the wallet variations. Watches don't have convenient little ring storage areas! Does not make sense. I was hyped for this. Followed the teasers, entered the contest, and anxiously awaited the grand reveal. Was immediately let down with what I saw. |
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Saturn UK Inner circle 2658 Posts |
Some items are too expensive for those that only perform for family and finds and can not justify the price of this, I agree.
I disagree that is too expensive because if you go out performing for living this will serve you very well. Bulky - yes I agree but it will work close up if you want it to. For parlour or stage this is almost a no brainer.
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Magicmike34 New user 34 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2018, Joe Roberts wrote: Typical Magic Café Amateur Post LOL If you think the effect sucks perhaps you should try another hobbie. What about...fishing? |
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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4741 Posts |
Not sure why people are complaining about the price. Seems very reasonable for what it is. I thought it would be at least $500. Oh well. Looks super clean and I can’t imagine the thought that must have gone into this. That said, I don’t really see the justification for this. Maybe if the watch was something else, like a sealed container, but the watch doesn’t really make sense.
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