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I think this is something new.
Does anyone know if this has been explored before?

Imagine being able to do deBruijn tricks using your mem deck as is!

I stumbled onto this a week or two ago and posted it in the "magical equations" area and have not gotten much response.
Maybe I should have posted it here in Shuffled Not Stirred.

Apologies if this has been written up before but I think this may be a new discovery.

Some mem decks have wrapping deBruijns (6 bit red cards are binary "1") in certain segments just by chance.
I call these "Natural deBruijns".

I found these deBruijns in:
Aronson:
JS thru 5S (20 cards)
7H thru QC (26 cards)
JS thru 3S (17) cards)
JS thru 8C (16) cards)

Tamariz:
10S thru AH (18 cards)

Osterlind BCS:
7C thru 6C (26 cards)

This means you can cut these cards out and do Leo Boudreau's 6 spectator "Eyes Closed if you have a red card (hearts diamonds)" trick without a special extra deck!

Also if you don't want to ask the spectators to close their eyes you can use a one-way back deck (in your mem deck deBruijn portion just orient the hearts and diamonds one way and the black cards the other way).

I use Aronson so the biggest natural deBruin in it is the 7H thru the QC so that is the one I use.

Are there other applications any of you can think of to use the deBruijn portion of a mem deck?

See below to get the SORTED cheat sheets for these deBruijns:
https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......forum=99
https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......forum=99
https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......forum=99

thanks,
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Hi glowball,
This is great stuff. Don't be discouraged by the lack of response. I am sure many people like me have seen your posts. It will take some time for people to respond since this is a little involved.

Best Wishes.
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Thanks for this, glowball!

This is really, really cool. I love de Bruijn cycles and it's use in card magic.

Mike
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For those of us playing catch up : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bruijn_sequence
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Where can Leo's trick be found please?
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On Dec 11, 2018, rmorrell wrote:
Where can Leo's trick be found please?


You can search the Café for Leo's posts or get his books from Lybrary.

Mike

PS.
Not so long ago I posted a trick that uses de Bruijn sequence in an unusual way. You can find it here: https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......forum=82
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Leo's eyes closed ("Technicolor Deck") is done here using a 13 bit deBruijn with a 4 bit unique sequences with 4 spectators who close their eyes if they have a red card.
Leo's TECHNICOLOR DECK reveals the value but not the suit (4 cards is not enough to also reveal the suit if using all 52 cards).
The deck is a normal full deck set up with 4 sets of the same sequence of 13 card values (different mixture of suits in each 13).
The backs of all the cards are the same color and are not one-way backs.

Click below then scroll down several screens until you see TECHNICOLOR DECK
https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......forum=82

Leo also has a full 52 bit deBruijn with 6 selected cards where he uses his Spirited Pasteboards "Heady Stuff" trick where he does reveal the value and the suit but this relies on using a one-way backed deck or red and blue cards). It is not an "Eyes Closed if Red Card" trick. It does involve some minor math to divide by 13 etc. You can buy Spirited Pasteboards on Lybrary.com for $29 (I did and was not disappointed).
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Glowball, this is really well thought out stuff.

I think we might now devote some posts to how to make the effect stronger for the spec by eliminating possible solutions.

Specifically, as in much memdeck work, the first solution a spec will jump to is marked cards. What can we do to eliminate that possibility for the spectator? And the second solution would of course be a stacked deck. What presentations will be strongest in eliminating that possible solution?

And given this powerful tool you've outlined here, it might be useful to ennumerate what the advantages for the magician and spec are in using this tool, as opposed to those, which to some, would be easier to learn and use.
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Landmark, I wholeheartedly agree. I'm in the process of doing exactly what you said in fact I just ordered a 52 card deck of white back bicycles (maybe overkill) and I would point out to the audience that these are not marked cards.

For Aronson in preparation I cut the deck so that the seven Hearts is at the top and then cut away and set aside the bottom half cards (2C thru 3D) and just use the 26 natural DeBruijn 7H thru QC cards with the excuse of "it may take forever if I use a whole deck".

Other thoughts:
A couple of false shuffles at the beginning and a spread of the deck for everyone to see should be pretty convincing to most people that it is not a stacked deck (the Aronson, Tamariz and Osterlind BCS will all pass muster in this regard). Also a couple of cuts by the spectator should add to that perception.

My back could be turned when they make their selections from the top of the deck. The danger is they may not take the 6 cards in the order that they are standing so must figure out my wording to control that situation.

The presentation could go something like this: your instructions to the first spectator: cut the deck a couple of times completing the cut each time then I want you to deal a card for yourself face down and a card face down for the other five spectators and then have them take their corresponding card and then cover the deck with this white handkerchief.

I would even be so bold as to point out that there was no way that I could see the bottom card or any card in the deck before the final cut.

I probably won't use the white back deck because that would not look nice for my normal Aronson routines. I'm also thinking about giving the deck to the first spectator to keep as proof that it is not marked (but would not do that with white backed cards - too expensive).

More thoughts anyone?
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I've also thought about having a card with a picture of a hypnotist such as Max Maven or perhaps a free image cartoon picture and place that card on the table for everyone to stare at to help them concentrate then have another card that has a picture of an eyeball or perhaps a hypnotic eye and on the back of it I would have my cheat sheet information for the 26 octal codes and I would tell the spectators that have the red cards to look into my hypnotic eye (instead of closing their eyes).
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All debruin card tricks of this nature face several major challenges:
1. Face up spread of the deck looks natural
2. Do the backs look normal
3. The ability to identify the first (or last card) of those selected.
4. The ability to identify the other cards selected.
5. It truly wraps (meaning the spectator can do deep and/or multiple cuts).

Starting from scratch if you took a shuffled deck of cards and set it up to do the red cards DeBruijn affect you could do it using the below DeBruijn:
0001010100110011101000100001101101011000111101111100
without any cheat sheets but you would have to memorize the deck of cards two different ways. One way satisfying number 3 above to get the first card of the six and then you have to memorize the entire deck a second way to know the order of the cards to satisfy number 4 above.

If you check YouTube you will find three prominent demonstrations of DeBruijn and they all try to accomplish number 3 and number 4 using a special mathematical setup of their decks but they have compromised in other areas of the five challenges I mention above.

The beauty of using a mem deck's natural DeBruijn is that we really only have one major challenge and that is number 3 mentioned above and that can be accomplished with a very simple cheat sheet using the octal code (from us looking at the spectators eyes then us looking at our cheat sheet) to get just one card and then we're home free (because we know the other 5 cards by memory) and can focus all our attention on the presentation.

So we are a couple steps ahead of our purely mathematical brethren doing DeBruijns. Also we know how to easily set our deck up and quickly verify it before the show, not as easy for them.
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It is easy to control having the cards in sequence by having one spectator deal the cards to the other spectators like they are "dealing the hole card in a game of poker". In fact that can even be the presentation, "Wouldn't it be great to to know the other player's hole card by magic?".
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Excellent point thank you!
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In lieu of using 1/2 deck natural DeBruijn if you want a full 52 card "Eyes closed if red card" DeBruijn then do the below:
Starting with a complete Aronson deck:

a. Move Js and Kc to after the 3s.
b. Move KS, 6s, 4c to after 5S.
c. Move 5H to after the 7c (before 4H).
d. Move the 6D to after the Qc.
e. Move the Qd thru 7c to after 9d.

This only takes 5 steps (quicker than the 8 step P3 that I posted in the "magical equations" area). The above steps align all the Aronson red cards with the DeBruijn "1"s and black cards with the "0"s. You won't be able to use this deck to do Aronson routines but you will have one powerful "Eyes closed if red" deck!
010010100111000010000011111010 1011001100010111011110

Let's call this one P4 it is exactly the same DeBruijn bracelet code from TomasB as P3 but entirely different card positions and different starting point therefore I will need to create a new sorted cheat sheet and a list of the deck set up just to be sure I did the five steps correctly.

Also I need to thoroughly test everything that it is a truly a wrapping DeBruijn and after I have the sorted cheat sheet to go through all 52 instances of six cards and verify against the cheat sheet. Normally I wait until I have tested before posting but I'm tired going to bed but I just wanted to get this out in case I never wake up, you never know at my age haha!

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Here are complete instructions including the SORTED Crib Sheet for this P4 52 card "Eyes Closed if Red Card" DeBruijn.
Starting with an Aronson deck:
a. Move from top Js and Kc to after the 3s.
b. Move the KS, 6s, 4c to after 5S.
c. Mofrom the 5H to after the 7c (before 4H).
d. Move the 6D to after the Qc.
e. Move the Qd thru 7c to after 9d.
This only takes 5 steps.

Note: To restore to Aronson then reverse the steps:
First cut the 5c to the top (7c on bottom) then:
Move the QD thru 7c to after 4c.
Move 6D to after Qs.
Move 5h to after 10s
Move the KS, 6s, 4c to after 9h.
Move Js and Kc to top of deck.

Let's call this one P4 it is the exactly the same DeBruijn bracelet code as P3 but entirely different cards and different starting point therefore I will need to create a new sorted cheat sheet and a list of the deck set up just to be sure I did the five steps correctly.
Cut to the King of Hearts on top so not so many red cards in the middle of the deck.
Below is the physical P4 deck:
Kh 4d 10d Jc Jh 10c Jd 4s 10h 6h 3c 2s 9h 8h 9c Qs Qc 6d 2c 9d Qd Ah 8s 3d 7h Qh 5d 7c 5c 2h 9s As 3h 6c 8d Ac 10s 2d Kd 7d 8C 3s Js Kc Ad 7s 5s Ks 6s 4c 5h 4h

Below is sorted P4 cheat sheet
01 is 3s Js Kc Ad 7s 5s
02 is 8c 3s Js Kc Ad 7s
04 is 7s 5s Ks 6s 4c 5h
05 is 9c Qs Qc 6d 2c 9d
06 is 5s Ks 6s 4c 5h 4h
07 is Ks 6s 4c 5h 4h Kh
10 is Ad 7s 5s Ks 6s 4c
11 is 5d 7c 5c 2h 9s As
12 is 8h 9c Qs Qc 6d 2c
13 is 6h 3c 2s 9h 8h 9c
14 is 7d 8c 3s Js Kc Ad
15 is 2h 9s As 3h 6c 8d
17 is 8d Ac 10s 2d Kd 7d
20 is Kc Ad 7s 5s Ks 6s
21 is As 3h 6c 8d Ac 10s
22 is 5c 2h 9s As 3h 6c
23 is 10c Jd 4s 10h 6h 3c
25 is Jc Jh 10c Jd 4s 10h
26 is 6c 8d Ac 10s 2d Kd
27 is Qc 6d 2c 9d Qd Ah
30 is Kd 7d 8c 3s Js Kc
32 is Qh 5d 7c 5c 2h 9s
34 is 9h 8h 9c Qs Qc 6d
36 is 10h 6h 3c 2s 9h 8h
36 is 4d 10d Jc Jh 10c Jd
37 is Qd Ah 8s 3d 7h Qh
40 is Js Kc Ad 7s 5s Ks
41 is 3c 2s 9h 8h 9c Qs
42 is 9s As 3h 6c 8d Ac
43 is Ac 10s 2d Kd 7d 8c
44 is 7c 5c 2h 9s As 3h
46 is Qs Qc 6d 2c 9d Qd
47 is 6s 4c 5h 4h Kh 4d
51 is Jd 4s 10h 6h 3c 2s
52 is 10d Jc Jh 10c Jd 4s
53 is 6d 2c 9d Qd Ah 8s
54 is 3h 6c 8d Ac 10s 2d
56 is Jh 10c Jd 4s 10h 6h
57 is Ah 8s 3d 7h Qh 5d
60 is 2s 9h 8h 9c Qs Qc
61 is 10s 2d Kd 7d 8c 3s
63 is 8s 3d 7h Qh 5d 7c
64 is 4s 10h 6h 3c 2s 9h
65 is 2c 9d Qd Ah 8s 3d
67 is 4c 5h 4h Kh 4d 10d
70 is 2d Kd 7d 8c 3s Js
71 is 3d 7h Qh 5d 7c 5c
72 is Kh 4d 10d Jc Jh 10c
73 is 5h 4h Kh 4d 10d Jc
74 is 7h Qh 5d 7c 5c 2h
75 is 4h Kh 4d 10d Jc Jh
76 is 9d Qd Ah 8s 3d 7h

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Correction to the above sorted P4 cheat sheet:
The line that says "36 is 4D..." is incorrect.
It should say "35 is 4D..." and appear one notch up in the list.

Reminder that the code to the far left is a two digit octal code low bits first. In other words the first card/spectator is a possible value 1, the second card/spectator is a possible value 2, the third card/spectator is a possible value 4, all added together to give the first octal digit. Now we do the exact same thing with the second 3 cards/spectators to get the second octal digit.

Below is the correct P4 sorted cheat sheet:
01 is 3s Js Kc Ad 7s 5s
02 is 8c 3s Js Kc Ad 7s
04 is 7s 5s Ks 6s 4c 5h
05 is 9c Qs Qc 6d 2c 9d
06 is 5s Ks 6s 4c 5h 4h
07 is Ks 6s 4c 5h 4h Kh
10 is Ad 7s 5s Ks 6s 4c
11 is 5d 7c 5c 2h 9s As
12 is 8h 9c Qs Qc 6d 2c
13 is 6h 3c 2s 9h 8h 9c
14 is 7d 8c 3s Js Kc Ad
15 is 2h 9s As 3h 6c 8d
17 is 8d Ac 10s 2d Kd 7d
20 is Kc Ad 7s 5s Ks 6s
21 is As 3h 6c 8d Ac 10s
22 is 5c 2h 9s As 3h 6c
23 is 10c Jd 4s 10h 6h 3c
25 is Jc Jh 10c Jd 4s 10h
26 is 6c 8d Ac 10s 2d Kd
27 is Qc 6d 2c 9d Qd Ah
30 is Kd 7d 8c 3s Js Kc
32 is Qh 5d 7c 5c 2h 9s
34 is 9h 8h 9c Qs Qc 6d
35 is 4d 10d Jc Jh 10c Jd
36 is 10h 6h 3c 2s 9h 8h
37 is Qd Ah 8s 3d 7h Qh
40 is Js Kc Ad 7s 5s Ks
41 is 3c 2s 9h 8h 9c Qs
42 is 9s As 3h 6c 8d Ac
43 is Ac 10s 2d Kd 7d 8c
44 is 7c 5c 2h 9s As 3h
46 is Qs Qc 6d 2c 9d Qd
47 is 6s 4c 5h 4h Kh 4d
51 is Jd 4s 10h 6h 3c 2s
52 is 10d Jc Jh 10c Jd 4s
53 is 6d 2c 9d Qd Ah 8s
54 is 3h 6c 8d Ac 10s 2d
56 is Jh 10c Jd 4s 10h 6h
57 is Ah 8s 3d 7h Qh 5d
60 is 2s 9h 8h 9c Qs Qc
61 is 10s 2d Kd 7d 8c 3s
63 is 8s 3d 7h Qh 5d 7c
64 is 4s 10h 6h 3c 2s 9h
65 is 2c 9d Qd Ah 8s 3d
67 is 4c 5h 4h Kh 4d 10d
70 is 2d Kd 7d 8c 3s Js
71 is 3d 7h Qh 5d 7c 5c
72 is Kh 4d 10d Jc Jh 10c
73 is 5h 4h Kh 4d 10d Jc
74 is 7h Qh 5d 7c 5c 2h
75 is 4h Kh 4d 10d Jc Jh
76 is 9d Qd Ah 8s 3d 7h
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