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TeddyBoy Special user New York, NY 595 Posts |
Up to now I have been exclusively interested in sleight-of-hand card magic. As a result, it is clear that the "go to guys" for learning include Giobbi, Lorayne, Ammar, Hugard/Braue, Vernon, Marlo, Daryl, and several others. When work with coins is mentioned, Bobo is usually on top of the list. I'd be interested in knowing who the "go to guys" in mentalism are?
So many sleights...so little time.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
A good starting place with be with the works of Bob Cassidy and Richard Osterlind. In many ways, these could be all you ever need, but are surely a great starting point.
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Sharktale New user Ukraine 31 Posts |
Agree Richard Osterlind and Bob Cassidy are great start!!!
I would add: - Banachek; - Max Maven; - Docc Hilford; - Luke Jermay; - Mark Spelman. |
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karnak Special user Connecticut 747 Posts |
I always heard that Corinda’s “13 Steps to Mentalism” is a standard (if perhaps a bit “vintage”) classic primer.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
Very true about Tony Corinda. I agree with Sharktale but wouldn't consider any he mentioned as a starting place as I would with Cassidy, Osterlind or Corinda.
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HeronsHorse Loyal user Scotland 207 Posts |
This is a great question for me too. I'm knee deep in card books, but hadn't thought about who might be the best mentalist to learn from. I did, however, read recommendations in some of those card books for Corinda's 13 steps which I duly got a hold of. I absolutely love it! Get it, you won't be disappointed.
So much to learn in that one book. It opens your eyes to the concepts that are used, though I realise there are updates now, a lot of mentalism I see is using ideas from this very book!
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Ray Bertrand Inner circle Ottawa, Ontario 1452 Posts |
I would also check out Anneman! Banachek, Osterlind, Cassicy and Corinda all have my recommendations.
Ray
Mentalism in Ontario.
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gong New user San Francisco, CA 14 Posts |
Osterlind's videos illustrate many of the concepts from Corinda's 13 steps (book). If you're a visual learner, then videos are the way to go.
See "Osterlind's 13 Steps to Mentalism by Richard Osterlind 4 DVD SET" -- http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/6696 A bit pricey, but extremely highly reviewed, as you can see. |
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tjackson8685 New user 52 Posts |
I echo the "start with Corinda" suggestions and then the others mentioned but would also add Barry Richardson. I think his Theatre of the Mind (and subsequent two books) are fantastic.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
The thing with mentalism is what you mean or referring to as mentalism. Mentalism has it's own unique foundation and premise quite different (and at times completely opposite from magic) if you are truly interested in learning mentalism.
First you should decide do you just want to learn mental magic tricks or truly become educated and engulfed in the art of mentalism which I would start with a foundational understanding before ever getting to any effects. That's why some of the advice being offered may be better suited until after you have the foundational components in place. Otherwise, they may be over the head of a beginner, regardless of age. |
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
Teddy you can take much of what you already know and apply it to mentalism. What you don't want to do is present metnalism, as tricks. So decide what the effect is suppose to accomplish ie clairvoyance, prediction, mind reading, influence, astral projection or whatever and apply your knowledge of magic, to the effect. Again the key is that it look nothing, like a magic trick.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
Yes, that would be mental magic as I described, not mentalism. This is the difference of asking a magician about mentalism vs. asking a mentalist about mentalism. Again, you must first make some foundational decisions.
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TeddyBoy Special user New York, NY 595 Posts |
Admittedly, I know nothing about mentalism. My question was meant to get ideas where to even begin to learn about these different types of categories of mentalism, let alone how to perform them. In other words, to learn what as MindPro puts it, the "foundational components." But I appreciate everyone's input. Thanks again.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
That is actually exactly why I originally mention Richard Osterlind and Bob Cassidy as a starting point for mentalism. These are more foundationally based, then they can take you to the next level with mentalities, perceptions, and effects. Best of luck!
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TeddyBoy Special user New York, NY 595 Posts |
Thanks for the guidance. I am thinking about branching out some day.
So many sleights...so little time.
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
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On Jan 2, 2019, Mindpro wrote: How can you call something mental magic without seeing it in context? Mental magic are TRICKS with a psychic flare. I specifically said that the demonstrations, should look nothing like tricks.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
Because if you are approaching or attempting to perform mentalism from a magic perspective it will always only be magic (or mental magic if that makes you feel better, lol).
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
Nobody said anything about approaching mentalism from a magic perspective. What was said was to use the techniques already known to the magician (ie mechanics) of magic, to begin performing mentalism. Snobbishly considering mentalism non magic based, is incorrect and shows a complete lack of understanding, of how it works. Reading that mentalism is not about tricks should have been something you could have agreed with? But alas the BS continues. lol
Btw one of Bob Cassidy's recommended books for anyone interested in mentalism is, The Amateur Magician's Handbook, why do you think that is?
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10587 Posts |
Because he explains exactly how magic is quite the opposite from mentalism. Magic is known to be trickery, deceit, and illusion, whereas mentalism is viewed and experienced as real, or at least plausible and not a trick or deceit. That was exactly my point and Cassidy prompted this belief more and separation and understanding more than just about anyone.
THEN, once this is understood and in place on the foundational level there may be ways you can include some "magic" moves or contributions into your mentalism. I don't expect you to understand as you are a magician (nothing wrong with that, except the different approach, belief, and understanding). |
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Senor Fabuloso Inner circle 1243 Posts |
Sorry but having hung out with Mr. Cassidy I can tell you that your wrong. He recommended The Amateur Magician's Handbook because it explained basic concepts of all magic including mentalism. Your problem is that you and others believe that mentalism is not, a branch of magic. Your wrong. Your membership on this site should be an obvious testament, to that fact. Every mentalist is a magician. I don't expect you to understand this because of your snobbish elitism, won't admit to the obvious connection of magic and mentalism. That's fine but it does no service, to those wanting to cross over from magic to mentalism.
Now instead of your opinion we will look to what the Master said; " The Amateur Magician’s Handbook provides a broad based and practical foundation in the psychology and techniques of magic. While most magic books aimed at beginners start out by teaching self-working effects, Hay wisely devoted the first half of his book to the “hard stuff.” In his words "…If you start off with a few self-working tricks that you can plod through undetected, you may puzzle people, but you won’t entertain them. Worse, you won’t have entertained yourself. Easy come, easy go. Familiarity breeds contempt… Some notion, at least, of magical acting can be taught in a book; but it takes time to sink in. The time required to memorize a self-working trick is not long enough… The time required to learn a fairly simple sleight probably will be long enough for you to absorb the acting that goes with it. "In short, you can learn to do a moderately difficult trick more easily than you can a perfectly easy trick. On a sleight of hand trick you can’t skimp; on an easy trick the temptation is almost irresistible. You won’t dare to show a feat of skill that is only half practiced – and this is one of the basic axioms in all conjuring." It is quite possible to create a complete mental act based on subtleties and self-working effects. Because of this, magicians who have an aversion to “practice” occasionally decide to go into mentalism because they think it is “easier” than straight magic. Their inevitable failure and embarassment is a fate they could have avoided if someone had recommended Henry Hay’s book to them in the first place. The section on “mental magic” [see note below] comes in the second half of the book and it is, unabashedly, based on the works of Theodore Annemann. Hay recommends that those wishing to specialize in this branch of the art should obtain a copy of Annemann’s Practical Mental Effects. I don’t think it’s accidental that Hay doesn’t discuss mentalism, or recommend Annemann, until after the student has “paid his dues” by developing a facility with fundamental sleights. As you may have guessed, The Amateur Magician’s Handbook was, back in 1962, my gateway into the world of magic and my first step to mentalism. It would be another five years before I heard of a guy named Corinda. " So no he didn't recommend The Amateur Magician’s Handbook to in your words " explains exactly how magic is quite the opposite from mentalism " he recomended it in his words so that " the student has “paid his dues” by developing a facility with fundamental sleights. " Why would he have done this if not to ENCOURAGE a mentalist to know the basics of magic before embarking on a career in mentalism. The fact that you continue to aggrandize yourself above others who know more than you, is not only exhausting but detrimental to anyone wanting to learn the truth about mentalism. You also talked of Mr. Osterlind but he does magic in his shows, claiming to once having been, a magician. So this opinion you keep trying to push, makes no sense. I think you confuse mentalism and seership but the two have nothing in common. This constant battle you insist on waging, helps nobody but your ego and when put to the test we can all see how flawed you are. Just admit you don't know everything and I think your credibility, would be magnified exponentially?
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