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If you are doing these cube effects well then why do you need more?
They are miracles in themselves the first 2 of this project or is it the bag elimination that is the game changer?
Of course you then lose the 6 real side reveal?
There is always a trade off it seems to me. Olly
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I have seen the instructions for this. It is extremely clever and I could not figure it out from the trailer.

I saw the gimmick in the trailer. Immediately it was clear what happens when tapping the cubes together. I feared the gimmick can not be used close up when even the trailer spoils the secret.
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Interesting post , when the cube comes back is it not obvious that the first line up is incorrect? I don’t know just thinking out loud. Olly
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I guess I’m not too smart. Maybe I was looking to close for the other methods I know.
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Olly - of course there is always a trade-off. That's why it's a magic trick and not real magic. The question you have to ask is whether or not the trade-offs are the best ones to make given the context of the performance (including audience, environment, performer, the show being presented, the premise of the effect, etc.)
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On Dec 23, 2018, Xcath1 wrote:
I have seen the instructions for this. It is extremely clever and I could not figure it out from the trailer.

I saw the gimmick in the trailer. Immediately it was clear what happens when tapping the cubes together. I feared the gimmick can not be used close up when even the trailer spoils the secret.


General close up situation in my opinion this can be done as Henry Harrius did show me how close this can be. Problem is what is the definition of 'close up' & 'How close' is different from everyone.

In my understanding, say the close up theatre of the Magic Castle for example, that close up situation Venom is good enough and able to present itself.
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I have 360, Rubycon and Perfect Square. Now Henry has come out with an interesting new gimmick.
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General close up situation in my opinion this can be done as Henry Harrius did show me how close this can be. Problem is what is the definition of 'close up' & 'How close' is different from everyone.

In my understanding, say the close up theatre of the Magic Castle for example, that close up situation Venom is good enough and able to present itself.

Means venom fits to parlour magic. You cannot use it closeup in restaurant work, tablehopping, strolling....
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General close up situation in my opinion this can be done as Henry Harrius did show me how close this can be. Problem is what is the definition of 'close up' & 'How close' is different from everyone.

In my understanding, say the close up theatre of the Magic Castle for example, that close up situation Venom is good enough and able to present itself.

Means venom fits to parlour magic. You cannot use it closeup in restaurant work, tablehopping, strolling....


I think to be fare it should be said this can be used in at least the same performing situations as Rubicon and Perfect Square.

It also seems that some are very close to exposing what is going on which is not a good thing, if you have figured it out great but without seeing how well this is made comments should be a bit more reserved and left to those that actually own this or have seen it as to how good it looks close up.

I have watched the video and it looks great but even I can't comment with 100% authority until I actually see it.
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General close up situation in my opinion this can be done as Henry Harrius did show me how close this can be. Problem is what is the definition of 'close up' & 'How close' is different from everyone.

In my understanding, say the close up theatre of the Magic Castle for example, that close up situation Venom is good enough and able to present itself.

Means venom fits to parlour magic. You cannot use it closeup in restaurant work, tablehopping, strolling....


I think to be fare it should be said this can be used in at least the same performing situations as Rubicon and Perfect Square.

It also seems that some are very close to exposing what is going on which is not a good thing, if you have figured it out great but without seeing how well this is made comments should be a bit more reserved and left to those that actually own this or have seen it as to how good it looks close up.

I have watched the video and it looks great but even I can't comment with 100% authority until I actually see it.


Not to come across as a troll or anything but personally knowing how something is done or spotting how something is done has never put me off purchasing something in fact it's usually the opposite, I can honestly say it usually makes me click the buy button.

The only thing that put's me off is purchasing products is exposure on youtube which could be stopped if the originators actually cared enough to do something about it with just a few clicks of a button due to copyright infringement.
Also from what I've seen on the WPR Rubicon is better used in either a parlour or stage setting whilst Perfect Square can be used in a close up situation, now as those over at the WPR are the only ones brave enough to say if something isn't very good I tend to listen to what they say over most other reviewers out there who would have us believe that every item to hit the market is brilliant.
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So is this good for close up or not?
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I think to be fare it should be said this can be used in at least the same performing situations as Rubicon and Perfect Square.

I doubt that. For Perfect Square you need some misdirection/body turn when doing the move. No need for strange movements with Venom and that's the advantsge. But cause 4 sides of the Perfect Square gimmick are closed nothing can be seen from a very close distance while the Venom is open.
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On Dec 23, 2018, Xcath1 wrote:
I have seen the instructions for this. It is extremely clever and I could not figure it out from the trailer.

I saw the gimmick in the trailer. Immediately it was clear what happens when tapping the cubes together. I feared the gimmick can not be used close up when even the trailer spoils the secret.


This gimmick is extremely more deceiving than Rubicon which I have as well and Rubicon was always a fooler even in close up situations. So the Venom Cube us going to be fantastic IMO!

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Do you have any idea why Henry doesn't credit Real Cube by Harry G who has been the first to use m...ts to transfer faces? On the other side he credits Rubicon which is a completely different product. Maybe crediting Greg Wilson is cooler than crediting Harry G?
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General close up situation in my opinion this can be done as Henry Harrius did show me how close this can be. Problem is what is the definition of 'close up' & 'How close' is different from everyone.

In my understanding, say the close up theatre of the Magic Castle for example, that close up situation Venom is good enough and able to present itself.

Means venom fits to parlour magic. You cannot use it closeup in restaurant work, tablehopping, strolling....


I think to be fare it should be said this can be used in at least the same performing situations as Rubicon and Perfect Square.

It also seems that some are very close to exposing what is going on which is not a good thing, if you have figured it out great but without seeing how well this is made comments should be a bit more reserved and left to those that actually own this or have seen it as to how good it looks close up.

I have watched the video and it looks great but even I can't comment with 100% authority until I actually see it.


Not to come across as a troll or anything but personally knowing how something is done or spotting how something is done has never put me off purchasing something in fact it's usually the opposite, I can honestly say it usually makes me click the buy button.

The only thing that put's me off is purchasing products is exposure on youtube which could be stopped if the originators actually cared enough to do something about it with just a few clicks of a button due to copyright infringement.
Also from what I've seen on the WPR Rubicon is better used in either a parlour or stage setting whilst Perfect Square can be used in a close up situation, now as those over at the WPR are the only ones brave enough to say if something isn't very good I tend to listen to what they say over most other reviewers out there who would have us believe that every item to hit the market is brilliant.


Dealers do not like exposure as it decreases their sales potential.
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I was rewatching the real cube demo earlier today after reading academy’s post above and there is a phase in that routine where it at least seems the match up can be done with exactly what seems to be the same method as Venom?
I don’t know I am speculating, it just looked the same type of movements and the same end result.
Can anyone confirm the differences please. Olly
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I was rewatching the real cube demo earlier today after reading academy’s post above and there is a phase in that routine where it at least seems the match up can be done with exactly what seems to be the same method as Venom?
I don’t know I am speculating, it just looked the same type of movements and the same end result.
Can anyone confirm the differences please. Olly


Axel Hecklau never made a big deal about it but Henry's RD360 was released after Axel's Easy Cube and some could think he just copied it.
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Dealers do not like exposure as it decreases their sales potential.


Propdog must be the exception
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Do you have any idea why Henry doesn't credit Real Cube by Harry G who has been the first to use m...ts to transfer faces? On the other side he credits Rubicon which is a completely different product. Maybe crediting Greg Wilson is cooler than crediting Harry G?


Going by this route, I'll say it's extremely unfair to Henry as "Real Cube" has several instances in which it infringes the works from "Rubik's Dream". "Real Cube" was never the first product that utilizes m****ts, and the design of Venom is far from being similar to the ones out in the market.

As to answer back to your question on why Harry G wasn't credited, it's just simply a case where it isn't necessary as Venom was not built upon the concept nor the prop invention by "Real Cube".

Gregory Wilson is credited with due to his contributions for the matching cubes plot, in which has inspired many to develop their own methods.
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Thanks for your reply so based on that the m.gn.t.c side match up is different in method than Real Cube?
Does Real Cube match 4 sides using sh.m. or does it match 6?
It may not work at all in this way and I am buying Venom anyhow but I am just curious to know as I may buy Real Cube too if it can do all the 6 sides,
or if you can add 2 of the sides to make Henry’s a 6 sided match.
I love and own RD360 but I am looking for a cube effect match that doesn’t need the bag and looks as clean as Venom but in an ideal world with 6 sides matching and for close up situations, meaning very close up and strolling. Thanks for all you help once again and a Merry Christmas to all. Olly Smile
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