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On Dec 25, 2018, Oil&Water wrote:
Thanks for your reply so based on that the m.gn.t.c side match up is different in method than Real Cube?
Does Real Cube match 4 sides using sh.m. or does it match 6?


I don't own Real Cube but from a topic in the Magic Café I've learned that Real Cube is a Rubicon Shell + 2 m.gn.t.c sides to show all 6 sides. Venom is 4 m.gn.t.c sides and you can show alleged 6 but in real just 4 sides of course. The Real Cube gimmick is thick and heavy and not for close up. The reviewer said he wouldn't use it close-up like seen in the promotion video. I'm looking forward to an unbiased review of the Venom gimmick.
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Very, very wise Frittentick.
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Thank you Frittentick for your very informative response. Olly
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On Dec 25, 2018, Oil&Water wrote:
Thanks for your reply so based on that the m.gn.t.c side match up is different in method than Real Cube?
Does Real Cube match 4 sides using sh.m. or does it match 6?


I don't own Real Cube but from a topic in the Magic Café I've learned that Real Cube is a Rubicon Shell + 2 m.gn.t.c sides to show all 6 sides. Venom is 4 m.gn.t.c sides and you can show alleged 6 but in real just 4 sides of course. The Real Cube gimmick is thick and heavy and not for close up. The reviewer said he wouldn't use it close-up like seen in the promotion video. I'm looking forward to an unbiased review of the Venom gimmick.


I have this coming in the mail and I also have Rubicon which I use in very close up situations. The only thing I make sure is that Spectators are at least about three feet back & I have never had a problem. Well, one time I saw spectator lean over and Whisper to someone as if he might have noticed. That is one time out of hundreds. If the gimmicks 4 Venom are thinner than Rubicon and I do not see a problem with using it and close up situations.
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I also have Rubicon which I use in very close up situations. The only thing I make sure is that Spectators are at least about three feet back & I have never had a problem.
Since you quoted me I like to say that I talked about Real Cube and not Rubicon.


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If the gimmicks 4 Venom are thinner than Rubicon and I do not see a problem with using it and close up situations.

I do. Rubicon is a closed shell while Venom are single. Do they match up perfectly? What about the noise? I already mentioned we need an unbiased review to end wild guesses.
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I agree Frittentick and that is my concern I hope we get one soon . Olly
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I also have Rubicon which I use in very close up situations. The only thing I make sure is that Spectators are at least about three feet back & I have never had a problem.
Since you quoted me I like to say that I talked about Real Cube and not Rubicon.


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If the gimmicks 4 Venom are thinner than Rubicon and I do not see a problem with using it and close up situations.

I do. Rubicon is a closed shell while Venom are single. Do they match up perfectly? What about the noise? I already mentioned we need an unbiased review to end wild guesses.


Unbiased? Not sure what you mean as I don't know Henry. All I am saying is that after watching the instruction video the display with this looks much better than Rubicon, much more normal.

And if you think using Rubicon a close-up situations would not work then you obviously have not performed it for people close up. I did, hundreds of times and as I stated before, only one time someone thought something look out of the ordinary. And all I am saying is that the gimmicks for Venom on video anyway, look better than Rubicon. Time will tell as I should have mine soon.
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On Dec 27, 2018, RNK wrote: And if you think using Rubicon a close-up situations would not work then you obviously have not performed it for people close up. I did, hundreds of times and as I stated before, only one time someone thought something look out of the ordinary.

Last time and just for you: I'm talkin' about Real Cube and not Rubicon. Reeeeaaaal Cuuuube NOOOOT Ruuubiiiicoooon!!! Got it?
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I think to be fare it should be said this can be used in at least the same performing situations as Rubicon and Perfect Square.

I doubt that. For Perfect Square you need some misdirection/body turn when doing the move. No need for strange movements with Venom and that's the advantage. But cause 4 sides of the Perfect Square gimmick are closed nothing can be seen from a very close distance while the Venom is open.


I respectfully not agree. The PS indeed have even more strange movements when compare to Venom, at least this is the same feeling to me and many magician friends that I have known, not to mention that the clicking sound / noise of PS gimmick created. The reason I said Venom is good enough for Magic Castle close up room and NOT Parlor Theatre because this is the basic idea of how to define an effect can be perform close up or parlor. If you doubt that, which mean you are looking for effects that were suppose to be seen at MICRO distance, such as 5-10 cm within eyeball... is that what you mean for close up magic?

In any case, the pre-order of Venom has been sold out last week and I don't even have a chance to grab one, and wish you good luck on your cube magic my friend.
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Has anyone actually got this yet as the thread has gone very quiet?
Is it any good, and is it suitable for real world close up magic performances?
Thank you. Olly
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On Jan 6, 2019, Oil&Water wrote:
Has anyone actually got this yet as the thread has gone very quiet?
Is it any good, and is it suitable for real world close up magic performances?
Thank you. Olly


Good question and hopefully they can give us some comparisons to other similar effects.
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In the Facebook group I've read that some received Venom but no review yet.
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Thanks for the update guys, the fact that there is no review makes me think this may not be as good as first thought.
I sincerely hope so though as still waiting for mine, Olly
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I received mine last week , it is as good as I thought and for me personally will replace perfect square. I’ll write a proper review once I have had time set it up and to practice it a bit first
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Thanks Deano88 would you say it can be performed close up and strolling. I mean the gimmicks when attached look very convincing? Olly
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Thanks, looking forward to your review. Regarding strolling. table hopping: You'll need a reset after each performance.
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Regarding strolling. table hopping: You'll need a reset after each performance.


If it needs a reset can it be done in the open and how long does the reset take ?
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Regarding strolling. table hopping: You'll need a reset after each performance.


If it needs a reset can it be done in the open and how long does the reset take ?


As for the reset, it takes less than 4 seconds to get everything ready for the next performance, plus it's entirely possible to reset it infront of the spectator too. The tutorial video has a portion dedicated to the reset, so no worries for that.
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Thanks dylanxtay what’s your opinion on very close up performing ie do you need a certain distance not to see the gimmicks?
Thanks again, Olly
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On Jan 9, 2019, Oil&Water wrote:
Thanks dylanxtay what’s your opinion on very close up performing ie do you need a certain distance not to see the gimmicks?
Thanks again, Olly


Hi Oil & Water.

It'll depends on how you define the term "very close up", but the gimmicks are so well made (much like the rest of the Rubik's Dream line) that you'll have to know what you're looking out for to begin the search. I'll say that depending on your performance situation and audience management skill, you can handle the distance you can keep with them. Situation is pretty akin to Gregory Wilson's Rubicon, in which in my opinion, the effect is best performed with a given distance, but Henry has shown that it's very possible to perform the effect surrounded in a closeup situation.

In the tutorial video, Henry even shares his tips on having both of the cubes solved (thus ending clean), hence any doubts that your spectator might have would have been cleared through that.
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